Matt Stafford is the suckiest suck to ever suck

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OK, I had to google that one. Never watched it. But, nice.

Way to engage.

Actually it's Busch. Just thought I would tie in the white male guilt thread.

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Hot Garbage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQughSDZ8-I#t=485.8543222

[dwt1]

Use rational thought, not the NFL Roger handbook.

Hanson was the real iron-man!

I was using stats - which are dictated by NFL rules.

Hanson played maybe five plays a game.

[dwt1]

DWT, He brings up a good point you have ignored all of this. Its insane rambling because you do do not engage in coversation. It's fact's as told by DWT. Which are not facts their imaginary pots of gold at the end of the rainbow. Even if you do have good points. Your belief that Stafford doesn't have the "It" to be a consistent contender is one of them. But you follow it up with 3-13 is better than 7-9 because at least you tried another QB. Or that Manning actually accomplished something this year when getting dragged kicking and screaming towards Superbowl win.

If you want to actually want to participate why don't you actually answer questions and avoid extremes. If you really think the Lions are better of without Stafford then who should replace him? Can you think of any option that involves not having Stafford and having a better record than last year? Because as I stated losing is a quick way to getting fired and asking someone to do something that no one else would do (sacrifice a player at the future cost of their job for the greater good) isn't participating in discussion. Otherwise its just insane ramblings of a parrot.

I answer your questions, but you don't like my answers. BTW - there's all kins of options. It's not about having a better record than last year - it's about building a team that could compete for a Super Bowl. You're afraid of moving away from mediocre because the team may become less than mediocre - so what, it may also become a great team - but you never know unless you try.

In the Deb discussion link. NBT highlights his fondest memories of being a lions fan was when they achieved a high level of mediocrity - that's a sad commentary about this team and its fans.

[chemiclord]

And here we go with the tired narrative of how if the fans demanded more, things would change.

That might have been true in the days where teams needed seats filled in order to at the very least turn a decent profit. But the days where such pressure could accomplish anything are long gone.

Nowadays? NFL teams could play in empty stadiums and still make money hand over fist. Owners have absolutely NO compulsion to even consider what the fans want or demand at this point. Ford Sr. gave fan desires the middle finger for nearly six decades.

We can demand all we want. Our demands mean less than jack shit.

[Malto Marko]

And here we go with the tired narrative of how if the fans demanded more, things would change.

That might have been true in the days where teams needed seats filled in order to at the very least turn a decent profit. But the days where such pressure could accomplish anything are long gone.

Nowadays? NFL teams could play in empty stadiums and still make money hand over fist. Owners have absolutely NO compulsion to even consider what the fans want or demand at this point. Ford Sr. gave fan desires the middle finger for nearly six decades.

We can demand all we want. Our demands mean less than jack shit.

In fact, while SR. was alive, the more the fans demanded, the less likely they were going to get it. Demanding change sometimes delayed change for several years.

[dwt1]

Then there is no hope then is there?

So then, all teams are worth the same amount of money? Dallas would continue to be worth $4B if fans stopped showing up. If Dallas is worth $4B, why isn't Detroit worth $4B?

[chemiclord]

No one was gonna tell Senior how to play with his toy.

[chemiclord]

Then there is no hope then is there?

So then, all teams are worth the same amount of money? Dallas would continue to be worth $4B if fans stopped showing up. If Dallas is worth $4B, why isn't Detroit worth $4B?

There is no hope for fans to meaningfully alter the course of a team unless the owner is willing to listen, no.

And there's no indication whatsoever that Martha Ford is any more willing to listen to the peons than her husband was.

[froot loops]

No fan base has ever been successful in demanding a championship.

[Topweasel]

I answer your questions, but you don't like my answers. BTW - there's all kins of options. It's not about having a better record than last year - it's about building a team that could compete for a Super Bowl. You're afraid of moving away from mediocre because the team may become less than mediocre - so what, it may also become a great team - but you never know unless you try.

In the Deb discussion link. NBT highlights his fondest memories of being a lions fan was when they achieved a high level of mediocrity - that's a sad commentary about this team and its fans.

Well you dodge the questions for a while and then give unrealistic answers. That said lets try to be civil. You are completely right, we don't want to be okay with mediocrity. But we have to recognize that medoicracy is a stepping stone not a sign of drastic moves that need to be made. In the past we had a GM that came in and took a team a FG kick from being in the playoffs and gutted the team to build a winner. We didn't have a winning season for 10 years.

Now ridding ourselves of Stafford isn't exactly gutting the team. But the affects of it are nearly the same. While I agree that we should looking for our next QB, it shouldn't be at the immediate cost of our current QB. You don't build a winner by making it impossible to win.

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There is no hope for fans to meaningfully alter the course of a team unless the owner is willing to listen, no.

And there's no indication whatsoever that Martha Ford is any more willing to listen to the peons than her husband was.

I've actually kind of heard the opposite. It seems like she is much more invested and maybe quicker with the hook with the exception of Caldwell. It is hard to reconcile that with her age and longtime relation to the club. Let's put it this way, WCF didn't even go through the motions of paying respect to the fans, he kind of mocked the fans when asked about them. I haven't seen that with Martha Ford.

Now, realistically the sight of Caldwell, Quinn and three older ladies at the main table in the war room is comical and not reassuring at all. But if she actually puts pressure on them to win, it would be a huge upgrade. Senior wanted to give everyone loads of time. The Lions have been the worst franchise for nearly 6 decades and they have had 4 GMs, that's astounding.

[chemiclord]

No fan base has ever been successful in demanding a championship.

They've been successful in pressuring for changes in the past though. Enough empty seats hurt the bottom like enough that owners would make changes if for no reason than to court people back into the stands.

That of course doesn't mean that the changes will be any better.

But now? There's no real compulsion for owners to feel any pressure at all from their fans if they don't have the inclination. The stadium could be completely empty and it wouldn't even be a minor dent in the pocketbook.

[dwt1]

No one was gonna tell Senior how to play with his toy.

Senior is dead

[dwt1]

No fan base has ever been successful in demanding a championship.

Ever been to Dallas?