Matt Stafford is the suckiest suck to ever suck

[dpatnod]

Yep. Instead of 'not good' the argument is now 'not HOF-worthy'.

[edindetroit]

[froot loops]

Now is not the time to be arguing that anyway, he has a few more years to go.

[foxhopper]

I was never a Stafford hater. He actually was my favorite Lion player in his time in Detroit...But, I admit to never believing he had the "it" factor. I was criticial of him many, many times.

Glad I was wrong.

[JGSpartan]

I think people need to learn that there are far more QB's in the NFL capable of winning a superbowl than the amount that ever will. Goff has a bigger window than Stafford did as far as room to find someone better but I don't think it's as big as some here think. This will be an "if it lines up" replacement scenario. Not one you chase, at least not until your foundational pieces are in place.

[dpatnod]

I was never a Stafford hater. He actually was my favorite Lion player in his time in Detroit...But, I admit to never believing he had the "it" factor. I was criticial of him many, many times.

Glad I was wrong.

Critical is fair. I don't recall you being one of the eyore completely blind dumbasses. But, maybe I am wrong and have a bad memory. I mean, you're a dumbass in plenty of other ways, but I don't recall you being high in the ranks of the stupid Stafford hater club.

[froot loops]

People fall into this weird mindset where the believe the quarterback has to have this mystical it quality. The fact is you have to stack enough talent and get lucky.

[TheLondonLion]

I was never a Stafford hater. He actually was my favorite Lion player in his time in Detroit...But, I admit to never believing he had the "it" factor. I was criticial of him many, many times.

Glad I was wrong.

I criticized him at times. He wasn’t perfect, sometimes he was worthy of criticism.

But he was never the main problem. The idea that you plug in another QB and the Lions start contending was palpably insane.

The whole “QB wins”/“HE” can’t beat .500 teams, like he’s a one man roster is also insane.

[Futureshock]

People fall into this weird mindset where the believe the quarterback has to have this mystical it quality. The fact is you have to stack enough talent and get lucky.

My dad says it is about consistency and being able to make a play when your team needs a play. Whether that's a first down, TD, saving a sack or just tucking it in favor of a turnover.

[Futureshock]

That's why in all three of those games I knew he had that. THEIR (opponents) bad if they weren't terrified to give him control of the game at the end. WTF had they been watching?

[froot loops]

In my mind the closest comparison to Stafford was always a guy like Marino. Miami always tried to be able to run the ball but could never do it and they had to rely on his arm.

The mystical it quality argument was always strange because he had so many comebacks, that is making a ton of plays.

[Futureshock]

I thought more like Elway. Once Shannihan got that running game and the D, he finally won. There's a lot of similarities there.

[Futureshock]

I think this forum is going to need a new topic. The Stafford supporters won the argument that has dominated the forum for probably the last 8 or 9 years. It's a relief to be honest. Now it's time for the Lions to build a team that a franchise quarterback can win with.

At this time everyone should be at least quizzical on the direction of the team. There's a lot in front of them. FA and the draft will go down in a matter of months, with the combine and pro-days sprinkled in there too. A lot will happen in a matter of a few weeks.

Most people like to look back though. It's safe and you don't have to put your credibility on the line. Understandable with the stuff we've had to endure over the last 60 years.

We're at a critical point (already) for the Holmes/Campbell era. C'mon boys, bring it home!

[edindetroit]

I thought more like Elway. Once Shannihan got that running game and the D, he finally won. There's a lot of similarities there.

Except we got rid of our QB.

[Futureshock]

Ok P Manning then

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