Official Detroit Pistons thread

[froot loops]

No way that the Warriors void that trade. It would cost them too much.

[Whitley]

I've been fairly optimistic on Hayes, but so far he has not shown enough to say he would be starter on a good team. You have to really be gulping the Kool aid for that.

It depends what you want out of a point. I want a guy that plays good defense (if your point is a sieve on defense then your defense will suffer) and I want a guy that gets the ball to good spots for my better offensive options.


For me a scoring point is nice but not a must have.

Hayes is never going to be a great scorer. Even in Detroit, I want him setting up Cade, Ivey, BB etc.

[jaadam4]

Hayes isn’t a starting PG by a far stretch. He can find a nitch but he’ll never be a complete starting PG. I just hope he finds some level of consistency

[froot loops]

That type of point guard doesn't start in the NBA anymore. The ability to score is a must.

[Mainevent]

And Hayes is not good enough at the things he does well to ignore the offense. He’s not a defensive force like Marcus Smart, some nights he looks really good, other nights he’s a non factor. And he’ll come down and set up the offense, but he’s not much of a creator. It’s hard to be a creator when teams don’t respect your offense.

He flashes at times, and he’s still very young, but the player his is now is a backup on a good team. Maybe that’s enough for the Pistons to keep him around to see if it somehow clicks, but the price isn’t starter money.

[froot loops]

I do wonder how all of these players would look with a new coach. I'm not a Casey hater, but I think maybe a new voice might improve the defense. And it might make Hayes a better defender.

Part of the problem with this endless fascination with failed big men is none of these guys are good defensively. It's much easier defend on the perimeter when you can funnel a player somewhere.

[ghandi]

I think alot of the selection of Ivey was that the team is not sure if Hayes is a quality PG......His first two years were injury filled and he underperformed badly...He has been a little better in year 3 but he still is not an electric PG.....If he were a QB, he would be labeled a game manager. Also he has to have the ball in his hands to be effective at all....Long term, I dont see him sticking in Detroit with Ivey and Cade both being much better options.

[ghandi]

No way that the Warriors void that trade. It would cost them too much.

That luxury tax hit would be insane no doubt.

[jaadam4]

That luxury tax hit would be insane no doubt.

And we were 1 of 4 teams in the entire NBA that could have facilitated a move like that for them. We should have gotten a future 1st bare minimum

[jaadam4]

I didn’t realise Gary Payton II was involved in the trade. This failed physical could nix the whole deal and im ok with it

[ghandi]

The Warriors have until Sunday (not Satuday) night to finalize the trade.....Im hoping it goes through...It would feel wierd to get get Bey back if the trade was rescinded.

[jaadam4]

GP is for sure the better player for them but he’s going to miss someone time. Portland was straight up ridin’ dirty with that trade. Not a good look for them.

I loved Wiseman out of college but I don’t think he’s going to amount to anything here. I feel like we could get something better in return during the off season for Bey

Its not a good trade, I hope they nix it

[Forsh]

What was Bey going to get in trade? GS got some 2nd rounders.

[froot loops]

It's less about what Bey was worth and how much the Pistons were doing the Warriors a favor. Hollinger claimed the trade saved GS over 100 million (it's going to be less because they flipped those second rounders for GP II).

[ghandi]

The trade has gone through...Apparently the warriors may ask for some kind of compensation because they felt they were misled by Portland.