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[Coop]

They got to the playoffs with SACKUS and ROLLOVER -G- and Detroit's offense is not why the Saints beat them.

[Tony G]

Then and only then, MAYBE, the Lions can expect to contend for the big title.

I'd give them the MAYBE once they upgrade a few of the defensive back 7

[Panoptes]

They got to the playoffs with SACKUS and ROLLOVER -G- and Detroit's offense is not why the Saints beat them.

No running game is key as to why teams can and will beat the Lions in any big game.

You don't want to say it or admit it but its still the same old problem in Motown and the named characters are at the heart of it.

And pssssssst...the NFL has tape on the new Lions O and the good teams will dissect them as they did late in the season last year.

[Coop]

No running game isn't all on the OL - when Best went down, so did our running threat until Kevin Smith lasted two games.

Let's see what happens this year assuming all three are healthy and fully contribute.

[Panoptes]

That's where we differ (A LOT), I don't need to see another year.

The same two POS's will be another year older, slower and just as bad (which is not good).

Without them gone, the running game will never be able to make the Lions O plans balanced.

A game or two here and there where an individual player gets some yards does not mean the Lions have a run game.

In the big, tough, late season games against top talent, you have to be able to rush when necessary. Successfully not occasionally.

[Michigan_Saintsfan]

... they won 12 games (plus a playoff game) back in '91, that was a pretty 'great' season, eh? :D

That was about all I could say for my team when I joined this board, except the Saints had a whole two playoff wins. Slo, umm, your handle looks really familiar. Are you undercover here at this board ... or umm...at the other one?

[Marko69]

Just saw the name of the newest person to join...."LionsWinNextYear" ?

Does this mean it's going to be a 0-16 season this year?

[SloMotion]

That was about all I could say for my team when I joined this board, except the Saints had a whole two playoff wins. Slo, umm, your handle looks really familiar. Are you undercover here at this board ... or umm...at the other one?

No dude, it's me, :-D ... no undercover/secret squirrel stuff, I use the same userid wherever I go. AsylumGuido referred me to this place.

[Michigan_Saintsfan]

Guido didn't mislead you. This is a pretty decent group of people here.

[DanO]

....................except for Frank.

[Coop]

...............and DanO

[DanO]

Ya. Him too.

[WISEFAN]

Then that would be a relative measure. You're comparing them in relation to recent years.

For absolute great you get in the discussion with the Perfect Fins, A couple of the Niner teams, The monsters of the midway Bears, At least a couple of Steeler teams..... you get the drift

Relative perhaps Mr. G, Superbowls and Championship success would be a nice guage if the Lions were running off 10 win seasons year after year, but defining for now at least "Great" for this group of Lions are season of winning 10 games.

Perhaps there will come a time when this Lions team is measured by Championships.

[Panoptes]

9 and 10 win seasons were not good enough in 2000 and they still aren't today.

The term great does not qualify even at your low bar level.

[WISEFAN]

9 and 10 win seasons were not good enough in 2000 and they still aren't today.

The term great does not qualify even at your low bar level.

There was a time not so long ago that I would've agreed that 9 and 10 wins sucked but after what we'd suffered during the Millen Era everything after the day he got canned is great.

Don't get me wrong here, I want them to be Super Champs as well.