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I don't understand the thought that Webber took money only after he left for the pros. What would be the point. He was about to be a multi multi millionaire. Why would he take a measley $280,000 just months before he was about to get the world?
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Because if you are 19, knew you were done playing, were sick of getting exploited (something he obviously felt he was being) and having other people make money off of your name, and would be able to repay it, why wait?
I'm not saying if I'd come that far without doing so that I couldn't wait a little longer but I'd be tempted.
I don't know if that's the way it went down but it sure could be.Comment
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This is supposedly a link to it.Originally posted by Deuce View Post
[ame="http://vimeo.com/21017076"]Fab5 on Vimeo[/ame]I made baseball as fun as doing your taxes!Comment
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Interesting bit at the bottom about Horford:
Last Updated: March 16. 2011 1:00AM
Michigan Basketball Notebook
Rod Beard / The Detroit News
Ann Arbor — For the past few weeks, the big question was whether Michigan was going to make the NCAA Tournament.
That was answered with Sunday's announcement that the No. 8 seeded Wolverines would open against No. 9 Tennessee on Friday in Charlotte, N.C.
The next question: What now?
The Wolverines' goal was to make the tournament — but now they must guard against being satisfied with only making the tournament.
"It's a little weird because the whole season we were trying to get better to get in the tournament," sophomore guard Darius Morris said Tuesday. "Now that we're in our goal, when we're watching that film, we know we need super attention to detail because this could be our last game and we have to make the most of this opportunity."
Junior guard Zack Novak said that after Michigan made the tournament two years ago, some of the intensity dropped in the next practice.
"That was the one thing we took away from last time. We got selected and the next day we didn't have a great practice," Novak said.
In Sunday's viewing party for the NCAA selection show, Novak spoke to the hundreds of fans who showed up at Crisler Arena and let them know that the Wolverines weren't done playing hard.
"You never know when you're going to get back to the tournament again," Novak said. "For every guy on this team, even the freshmen, you never know what can happen, so take advantage while you're here."
Tournament prep
Coach John Beilein said the Wolverines will practice at Crisler on Wednesday before heading to Charlotte and having the team's open practice and press conferences on Thursday, in addition to another off-site workout.
"There's a lot that goes into getting a team ready and in transit to an NCAA Tournament, so we had a lot to do (Monday)," coach John Beilein said. "Two days of practicing here — that will be a lot about us, but also a good bit about Tennessee."
The Volunteers (19-14) present a size mismatch for Michigan, which has just two big men — 6-8 Jordan Morgan and 6-9 Evan Smotrycz in the main rotation.
Beilein said the rugged Big Ten schedule helped U-M get ready for the challenge that Tennessee's height advantage will present.
"Playing in the Big Ten prepared us for this, as best as it can. Tennessee is a great opponent and they're a talented team," Beilein said. "Our guys have been playing talented teams and in pressure situations every game."
Against taller Big Ten teams such as Illinois, Ohio State and Michigan State, Michigan has fared well in rebounding, but will need to work to reduce the rebounding disparity.
"Our guards will come in and we will need our guards to get rebounds," Beilein said.
Horford's role
Freshman Jon Horford's role in U-M's rotation has been reduced in the past month. He suffered a bruised knee and hasn't played more than two minutes in a game since the Indiana game Feb. 12.
With Tennessee's size advantage in the frontcourt, Horford may be pressed into more action Friday.
"We'll maybe use him in the games as needed," Beilein said. "We've tried to step back and get him back to the foundations of what's important to college basketball."
Beilein said that the trainers also are working to reshape Horford's body to add more muscle and make him stronger.
"He's getting bigger and stronger now," Beilein said. "He's up at 242 pounds now and weighs as much as Jordan Morgan. There's not any extra fat on him and his body's developing."
Rod.Beard@detnews.com
Twitter.com/RodLBeard
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110316/...#ixzz1GjiktBY6Comment
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More from Jason Whitlock .. former Ann Arbor News writer
Updated Mar 15, 2011 6:19 PM ET
It was my intention to ignore ESPN’s “The Fab Five” documentary.
I assumed their “legacy” would be framed inaccurately by the doc’s executive producer Jalen Rose, the leader of the Fab Five.
Despite all the hype they've gotten, Michigan's Fab Five have nothing on these sports dynasties.
Earning $125 million in the NBA and transitioning into a TV talking head produces little self-awareness and even fewer qualifications as a documentarian.
Give Rose credit. He talked a major television network and an alleged news organization into allowing him to write his own 90-minute history. We should all be so lucky.
With the help of the Worldwide Leader, Rose took baggy shorts, black socks, bald heads and trash talk and created the illusion the Fab Five were some sort of transcendent, revolutionary freedom fighters cut from the same cloth as Jackie Robinson, Jim Brown, Arthur Ashe and Muhammad Ali.
It’s laughably untrue.
The legacy of the Fab Five is that they were on the cutting edge of America’s unashamed embrace of style over substance.
When Rose ended the documentary waxing about how no one knows the names of the starters on North Carolina’s 1993 national championship team and everyone remembers Rose, Webber, Howard, King and Jackson, it dawned on me the Fab Five were the original Charlie Sheen.
Let me make this clear: I do not dislike the Fab Five. I made my bones as a journalist covering the Fab Five for the Ann Arbor News. I have a strong affinity for Rose, Juwan Howard and Ray Jackson. I have a great deal of respect for Chris Webber, particularly the way he handled the aftermath of the “timeout” and his work as an NBA broadcaster. I never developed any kind of connection with Jimmy King.
But the celebration of this documentary annoys me.
The Fab Five are taking credit for the real accomplishments of John Thompson’s and Patrick Ewing’s Georgetown Hoyas.
It was Thompson’s all-black, Ewing-led teams a decade before the Fab Five that shook the foundation of college basketball, changed the complexion of starting lineups across the country, opened coaching doors that had previously been closed to blacks and paved the way for black sportswriters at major newspapers.
It’s easy to forgive Rose for his lack of self-awareness. It’s America. In this country, self-awareness and common sense are our most rare commodities.
What’s not easy to excuse is the clueless robbery of what Thompson, Ewing, Bill Martin, Reggie Williams, Horace Broadnax and David Wingate accomplished.
They won championships — conference and national. They scared and intimidated the establishment. They were the inner-city black kids who left a legacy of jobs and playing opportunities for other impoverished minorities that exposes the lack of substance in the fads popularized by the Fab Five.
“Hoya Paranoia” is the story that deserves celebration and should serve as a teaching tool. Fab Five is a safe, harmless story celebrating black kids for choosing style over substance.
Rather than participate in the documentary, Public Enemy’s Chuck D should’ve remade “Don’t Believe the Hype” and replaced Elvis with Jalen Rose.
Five super-talented black kids enrolled at a prestigious, white university to play for an inexperienced, piss-poor-at-the-time white coach and, 20 years later, had the audacity to embark on a media tour preaching about black Duke players being Uncle Toms.
Are you kidding me?
Are we really this lost as a people?
Let’s end the facade that Rose’s words about the Duke players are being taken out of context. On Monday, Jimmy King was on ESPN spewing this nonsense.
Last week Webber published this bit of nonsense on his blog.
The Fab Five clearly believe Coach K and Duke didn’t and don’t recruit inner-city black kids, and they believe race/racism/elitism are the driving forces behind the philosophy.
Let’s go back to the Fab Five era and Duke’s philosophy then. Coach K recruited kids who had every intention of staying in school for four years. He recruited kids who had a good chance of competing academically at Duke and could meet the standardized test score qualifications for entrance.
The Fab Five stated it was their intention to win a national championship and turn pro as a group after their sophomore season. Webber, who was recruited by Duke, left Michigan after two years. Rose and Howard left as juniors. Impoverished inner-city kids have good reason to turn pro early. I’m not knocking Webber, Howard and Rose for their decisions. They didn’t fit the Duke profile at the time.
Furthermore, unlike Steve Fisher at the time, Coach K did more than roll the ball on the court. He coached.
The ideal in college basketball is to lead four-year student-athletes to conference and national championships. That’s the goal.
During the three-year run of the Fab Five (one season without Webber), Duke beat Michigan all four times the schools met while winning two ACC titles and one NCAA title. During the same span, Michigan won zero conference or national titles. In addition, Webber’s interactions with booster Ed Martin put the program on probation and caused Michigan to forfeit all its games.
I think Coach K recruited and recruits the right kids for Duke.
It’s ridiculous for Webber to insinuate that Coach K feared the Fab Five were “thugs and killers.”
Coach K probably thought the same thing I thought watching the Fab Five play: They’re immature, arrogant, interested in playing for a coach they could ignore and incapable of putting together the consistent focus and effort necessary to win a conference championship.
Two teams consistently beat the Fab Five — Duke (4-0) and Indiana (4-2).
Let me translate that for you: Structured, disciplined, well-coached teams beat Michigan.
While making money for their white university and allowing their incompetent, white coach to learn on the job, the Fab Five were not man enough to harness the courage and focus to outduel — in their minds — inferior, racist teams.
Now tell me who the sellouts were?
It wasn’t John Thompson, Patrick Ewing or Grant HiLast edited by Masspartan; March 16, 2011, 01:03 PM.Forever One!Comment
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Whatever happened to Laval Lucas-Perry?AAL 2023 - Alim McNeillComment
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Does Jason actually have a job? He got shitcanned in Kansas City.I made baseball as fun as doing your taxes!Comment
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I hear ya Dodger. That kind of game used to stick with me for days, but not so much anymore. This strike may give me my final walking papers. A sweet release after a lifetime of football frustration.Originally posted by gjdodger View PostComment
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Whitless misses out on a few things in that article. I don't think he saw the doc.
I don't recall The Fab 5 at any point saying that they were the FIRST to do anything other than being the first school to start 5 Freshman and then their choices of style. Most of those guys loved UNLV and copied their style, moreso than Georgetown. They maybe do say they were the team that got blasted for liking Hip Hop but I think there's something to be noted there. Sure, rap was around when Georgetown was at the top of the hill but ESPN wasn't as prominent in covering individuals (the Jordan effect hadn't started) and there wasn't Gangsta Rap. "The Message" was maybe an early baby to telling a story from the streets but it was still not something really getting play on MTV. Minimal Run DMC was about it in '84-'85.
Whitlock is unduly harsh on Fisher, who I do think is a pretty decent coach. Did he let San Diego State run over him all the way to several tourney appearances and a 2 seed this year?
The effective changes he made in 1989 for our tourney run are moves that I doubt Frieder would've made (posting Mills up more and playing Calip).Comment
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Whitless misses out on a few things in that article. I don't think he saw the doc.
I don't recall The Fab 5 at any point saying that they were the FIRST to do anything other than being the first school to start 5 Freshman and then their choices of style. Most of those guys loved UNLV and copied their style, moreso than Georgetown. They maybe do say they were the team that got blasted for liking Hip Hop but I think there's something to be noted there. Sure, rap was around when Georgetown was at the top of the hill but ESPN wasn't as prominent in covering individuals (the Jordan effect hadn't started) and there wasn't Gangsta Rap. "The Message" was maybe an early baby to telling a story from the streets but it was still not something really getting play on MTV. Minimal Run DMC was about it in '84-'85.
Whitlock is unduly harsh on Fisher, who I do think is a pretty decent coach. Did he let San Diego State run over him all the way to several tourney appearances and a 2 seed this year?
The effective changes he made in 1989 for our tourney run are moves that I doubt Frieder would've made (posting Mills up more and playing Calip).Comment
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Speaking of Whitlock and dook....
and:What's really embarrassing about Gerald Henderson's chop to Tyler Hansbrough's nose is how little losing it takes to bring out the spoiled, whiny, rich (itch) in the Duke basketball program.
--Jason Whitlock, AOL Sports
Recently columnist Jason Whitlock said this: “[Krzyzewski] plucks a large percentage of his players from nuclear, stable families. He gives off the air that he turns his nose up at the rest of college basketball, the programs and the coaches who try to win championships while working with the poor and dysfunctional.”Last edited by *JD*; March 16, 2011, 11:18 PM.Comment
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Can someone explain what the thread title means?#birdsarentrealComment
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