U of M thread (in the Lions Forum) :)

[Deuce]

Did anyone see Mario Manningham torch Terrance Newman for a TD. Just another solid UM WR. I thought he was a bust after watching him last year, but he has been spot on the first two games.

[froot loops]

The only problem I had with Lloyd was that he had probably the dumbest game philosophy I have ever seen in college football.

Did you ever watch a Bobby Williams or John L Smith coached team? Gerry Faust?

[chemiclord]

His general philosophy was "Games are won and lost in the fourth quarter."

That's fine... but he held to that philosophy every game, no matter the opponent. I dunno how many times Carr-led teams left points on the field because he was waiting for the fourth quarter to pull away.

It worked great against other teams of U-M's calibur (he had an excellent record against Top 25 teams)... but it worked against him in that a lot of inferior teams were able to hang on and get a lucky bounce here, a fluke play there, and pull off an upset far more often than should have happened.

The Appalachian State loss was a good example of that philosophy backfiring. Carr had two chances near the end of the first half to go for the jugular, and instead played clock control. I honestly feel they lost the game because of it.

[nhwbrooklyn]

Carr was a very good coach and recruiter who, in his last few seasons, appeared to not be able to adapt to the new style and schemes.

RR brings hope of having a 'modern' offense but remember, so far, his only legit victory is over an overrated ND team with home field advantage. He has a lot to prove... at least he would to me, if I were a UofM fan.

[froot loops]

Carr had some flaws no doubt, but when you say he had the dumbest game philospohy you've ever seen. Come on.

[chemiclord]

Carr had some flaws no doubt, but when you say he had the dumbest game philospohy you've ever seen. Come on.

Hey, I'm with you that John. L. Smith was a lunatic.

I'll hear you when you say Bobby Williams was an idiot.

That's not what I'm talking about though. They were stupid and/or insane.

I'm talking about a guy whose game philosophy involved him leaving points on the field and not taking control of the game when the opportunity arose. Carr wasn't stupid, nor was he nuts. He just had an absolutely brain damaged philosophy on how to play the game.

Williams and Smith, when presented with an opponent on the ropes, wouldn't say, "Nah. Just run the clock out." They would have went for the kill. They likely wouldn't have made the right play call, but that's a different argument entirely.

Lloyd Carr, when he had an opponent reeling, looked up at the scoreboard, and if the quarter didn't say "4", he let that opponent up off the mat. That's what I'm talking about.

[WingsFan]

LLLLLOYD could not coach his way out of a paper bag! He just had the talent to get away with it. I would take JLS in game coaching any Saturday of the year!

[nhwbrooklyn]

LLLLLOYD could not coach his way out of a paper bag! He just had the talent to get away with it. I would take JLS in game coaching any Saturday of the year!

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[chemiclord]

LLLLLOYD could not coach his way out of a paper bag! He just had the talent to get away with it. I would take JLS in game coaching any Saturday of the year!

See... that's the sort of thinking that makes many an outside observer think Michigan Fan is a truly obnoxious and moronic tool.

[froot loops]

Of course packfan would, he is a JLS apologist. He was probably happy with the numerous zero blitzes in the rain versus ND up 17.

All I know is Carr started having more problems when he started losing to Tressell. Tressell is more conservative than Carr. The National Championship season for Tressell consisted of a lot of games getting by on Mike Nugent field goals.

[nhwbrooklyn]

Of course packfan would, he is a JLS apologist. He was probably happy with the numerous zero blitzes in the rain versus ND up 17.

All I know is Carr started having more problems when he started losing to Tressell. Tressell is more conservative than Carr. The National Championship season for Tressell consisted of a lot of games getting by on Mike Nugent field goals.

What? no credit for an epic Dantonio defense?

[Ted]

Michigan beat Tebow in a bowl game 2 years ago.

And Henne looked great in Carr's last game. Michigan opened the playbook and played to the level of Florida. Maybe he went for it because it was his last game. Only Lloyd knows. But what I know is that is one of only two games in his tenure that I recall when he left his conservative clothes at the stadium door. The Rose Bowl loss to Texas was the other. A great game even though Michigan lost.

[jaadam4]

lets not talk about that Rose Bowl game against Texas. I was there and not happy.

[Rocky Bleier]

That win against Florida was beautiful, but it did make me wonder why they didn't play that way all year. They were uncharacteristically aggressive on both sides of the ball.

[Mainevent]

So other than those games where Lloyd beat the SEC and played Texas to the wire, he couldn't compete with those conferences. Check.