U of M thread (in the Lions Forum) :)

[chemiclord]

Didn't Hand get the memo that the Wolverines are on the rise?

Oh wait... because the reality is they aren't. Whoops.

[Niffla]

I wouldn't be surprised if this last stretch alone is what caused him to bail. Usually it takes more than that but he may have been alarmed/shocked about how inept this coaching staff truly is. I mean damn, they've lost 3 of 4, in the one game they won during that stretch they needed to put up 60 points to stave off Indiana. INDIANA!! Lmao. And before that they needed a goal line stand to beat freaking Akron and a late comeback to beat UConn.

What a shit-tastic stretch of epic ineptitude. It had to have some sort of effect. Had to.

[WingsFan]

Hand is going to Michigan, nothing changed, he made up his mind in September, just wanted to see what SEC football was about.

Ouch

Didn't Hand get the memo that the Wolverines are on the rise?

Oh wait... because the reality is they aren't. Whoops.

and reality is - well, tell me who bought the Detroit Pistons again?

[WingsFan]

Looks like Gary Moeller is at it again….

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/12/fan-blames-michigan-oc-al-borges-for-drunk-driving-charge/

[nhwbrooklyn]

Looks like Gary Moeller is at it again?.


http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...riving-charge/

I was wondering why kstat wasn't posting as much....

[Kstat]

What the hell do I have to do with this? I don't even hate al Borges.

[Deuce]

Hand to Alabama. I guess he found out. It's what Charlie Sheen said. Winning.

Yeah, was defintely quoting pretty much verbatim what an M insider was saying, Hand pulled a surprise, can't blame him, Alabama is the one school you lose a recruit to and you don't try to overthink it.

Didn't Hand get the memo that the Wolverines are on the rise?

Oh wait... because the reality is they aren't. Whoops.

The bolded part is as embarrassing as MSU fans calling for Dantonio's head after last year and as late as THIS SEASON. College Football fanbases are insufferable dimwits. Even worse than Lions fans!

[CGVT]

I was wondering why kstat wasn't posting as much....

LOL!

What the hell do I have to do with this? I don't even hate al Borges.

Let me 'splain it to you Lucy...

The guy was pass out drunk and got arrested for DUI. He said that he was in that condition because of U of M football.

You are a U of M football fan.

He was making a joke.

[ame]http://youtu.be/KTwnwbG9YLE[/ame]

[Kstat]

How fitting you'd pick the racist cartoon symbol of the south....

Apparently I'm the only Michigan fan on earth, seeing as how that's the only connection.

[CGVT]

Maybe I should have said insufferable M fan. **sigh**

Once again you prove to be a Humorless fuck

Lighten up and quit taking yourself so fucking seriously.

Dumbass.

[CGVT]

Read this and educate yourself, Ktwat.

The Origin of FOGHORN LEGHORN

by Keith Scott

Copyright ? 2008 by Keith Scott

(From Apatoons #150)

I would like to clear up the origins of one of the most beloved stars in Looney Tunes history, Foghorn Leghorn.

walky talky hawky In late 1944, story man Warren Foster came up with a rooster story for Bob McKimson, recently promoted to a directing position and getting ready to begin his fourth cartoon. This story, eventually titled Walky Talky Hawky, ostensibly starred Henery Hawk, a tough-kid character originally created by Ted Pierce for Chuck Jones's 1942 release The Squawkin' Hawk. But it was obvious from the storyboard that Foster's funny rooster would "steal" this cartoon.

McKimson decided to base the loudmouth's voice on a hard-of-hearing West Coast-only radio character from the 1930s, known simply as The Sheriff. Rather than using Mel Blanc (McKimson recalled he didn't think Mel could do [that voice]), another actor was auditioned (frustratingly, I don't know who this person was). But when that performer didn't work out, Blanc came aboard and, McKimson recalled, "did a real good job."

It is at this early point in the Foghorn saga that even Bob McKimson himself falls victim to the vagaries of recall, because by the time he began being interviewed in the mid-1970s (along with Clampett, Jones and many other Warner veterans), his memory was clouded by both the passage of time and the enormous fame that another old-time radio character, one Senator Claghorn, had enjoyed from 1945-49 on the highly respected comedy program The Fred Allen Show.

McKimson recalled telling Foster that he was listening to the radio and had heard Claghorn. He also believed that "Claghorn" had taken his vocal delivery from the old, deaf sheriff on the early variety show, Blue Monday Jamboree.

The Jamboree, like much of early West Coast radio, came out of San Francisco, before the show moved to Los Angeles in 1933, when network lines became operational in Los Angeles. At that point most of its cast began Hollywood acting careers, including character man Jack Clifford who originated The Sheriff. Clifford continued appearing as the Sheriff all through the 1930s on local LA programs like Comedy Stars of Hollywood, Komedy Kapers and The Gilmore Circus. He also played bit parts in many films.

The Sheriff - who would yell obnoxiously, talk over people, and repeat what he'd just said, prefacing each reiteration with "I say..." - was indeed the inspiration for Foghorn. But it must be emphasized, only for the first cartoon, Walky Talky Hawky. (Actually a major running gag for The Sheriff - bad puns based on mis-hearing what somebody was saying to him - was never a part of Foghorn Leghorn's character.) But as McKimson mis-remembered it in his later years, he and Foster merged the two characters - the old sheriff and Senator Claghorn - and made them parts of the rooster.

walky talky hawky But the plain fact is that the dialogue-track for Walky Talky Hawky was recorded on January 13, 1945, a full ten months before the debut of Senator Claghorn on Fred Allen's New York-based show. A careful listen to this cartoon's track reveals that Blanc sounds totally unlike the Foggy voice of the 1950s. Here he sounds much more like Yosemite Sam - loud and very gruff, and incorporating the Sheriff's habit of starting a sentence and then re-starting with "I say...," such as when the rooster yells, "Lose something - I say, didja lose something?" And the way he shouts "Pay attention, boy..."

Although a major influence on the cartoon, Jack Clifford's Sheriff was virtually a forgotton local LA radio character by the time the cartoon was released in late August of 1946. But Senator Claghorn, ironically just ten months old, was already a national sensation.

Kenny Delmar (1910-84) was a highly successful New York-based radio actor and announcer. He began, like so many others of his era, performing in vaudeville (with his mother and aunt as The Delmar Sisters), before he broke into radio in 1936. An accomplished dialectician, he worked scores of East Coast shows like The Shadow where he met Orson Welles. Welles hired him in 1938 for his famous "War of the Worlds" broadcast, where Delmar, although playing "Secretary of the Interior," imitated President Roosevelt's voice and added to the reality feel that Welles was after. In the 1940s Delmar got the job of announcer for the prestigious, intelligent comedian Fred Allen.

In his late teens Delmar had hitchhiked cross-country and was given a two-day ride in Texas by a real-life character that every actor dreams about meeting. A bombastic rancher, this man would suddenly turn to his passenger and shout, "Son, I own five hundred head of cattle - five hundred, that is. I say, I own five hundred head of cattle." He also insisted on finishing his wheezy gags with a hearty "That's a joke, son! Ah say, that's a joke!" Delmar stored this voice up in his mental computer and made him a party piece he called "Dynamite Gus." After doing the voice briefly (as Counsellor Cartonbranch) on The Alan Young Show, a season before Young moved to the Coast in 1946, actress Minerva Pious - a long-time Allen supporting player - suggested Fred try Kenny's windbag voice for the upcoming radio season.

Since 1942, a popular feature of Fred Allen's radio show was Allen's Alley wherein the star would wander down a make-believe street and meet a melting pot of Americana (Jewish housewife, a windy Irish-American, a New England farmer and a loudmouth politician). Jack Smart had been playing a pompous politico named Senator Bloat, but Smart had departed the show, and Allen had a hole to fill in his Alley.

So when Fred Allen returned to the air for the 1945-46 Fall season beginning October 5, 1945, his large national audience heard the Senator Claghorn voice for the first time.

The Senator's chauvinistic Southern jokes ("I refuse to drink unless it's in a Dixie cup!") and catchphrases ("That's a joke, son" and "That is"), bolstered by the strong comedy scripts written by Allen and his co-writers, became national bywords by the end of his first month, and all across Ameriac entranced listeners began imitating the Senator's voice.

While Claghorn was proving an instant success, the second Foghorn Leghorn picture, Crowing Pains, was underway by late 1945, and on November 24, its dialogue was recorded. This was a full eight weeks after Claghorn had made his bow, and already some borrowing of his mannerisms begins. As mentioned above, it was Claghorn, not The Sheriff, who used the catch-phrase "That's a joke, son," and appended "that is" to various sentences, such as, "He was too short. Short, that is."

So it was in fact this second entry that McKimson was thinking of when he recalled telling Warren Foster about the Claghorn voice (as he noted, Foster became very excited about the verbal gag possibilities). In Crowing Pains Foggy says, "That's a joke, boy - ya missed it, went right past you!"And, most importantly showing the marriage of both The Sheriff and Senator Claghorn, "What's the ga- I say, what's the gag, son? Gag that is." This cartoon was the start of Foster's excellent use of the radio influences for the dialogue in the Foghorn cartoons, dialogue that by the early 1950s entries was often downright hilarious.

A third rooster cartoon, Rootin' Tootin' Rooster began production in the summer of 1946. Its eventual title was The Foghorn Leghorn (the bellicose rooster, until then an anonymous barnyard denizen, finally took his name from this cartoon's title). It was in this cartoon that the Senator Claghorn influence became truly blatant. Foggy says, "Scram. Scram, that is," "Lookee here, son," and employs the actual Senatorial standby, "That's a joke, son...a flagwaver...."

claghorn Meanwhile, following his first season with Fred Allen, Kenny Delmar was wooed to Hollywood to make a feature film starring the highly popular Senator. The movie was called - what else? - It's a Joke, Son! (it was filmed in mid-1946, while the Allen show was on summer hiatus, and released in early 1947. Interestingly the third Foghorn cartoon's dialogue was recorded in late July and early August, while Delmar was shooting his movie nearby). Delmar remained with Fred Allen until Allen's final show in June 1949, at which point the Senator's fabled radio career ended after four very successful years. (Of course he continued doing the Senator for years in commercials, and even played a similar Southern politician on Broadway in a production of Texas, Li'l Darlin').

And as for Foghorn Leghorn, his character - refined a little more film by film - went on into the 1950s and early 60s in a highly successful series of cartoons. Interestingly, a new supporting hen, Miss Prissy, was also lifted virtually intact from another New York-originated radio character on The Milton Berle Show, that of a dizzy rich woman whose answer to everything was an imperious, vacuous "Yeeeesss" - she was played by Pert Kelton, an early TV foil of Jackie Gleason.

I trust this clears up some misconceptions. The legend of Foggy's origins has been, at best, semi-accurate and clouded in vagueness, but the facts show a different story, and there is simply too much animation studio history that is only semi-accurate or, even worse, totally wrong.

[Niffla]

Maybe I should have said insufferable M fan. **sigh**

Once again you prove to be a Humorless fuck

Lighten up and quit taking yourself so fucking seriously.

Dumbass.

I lol'd

[Deuce]

Kstats gunna Kstat

[WingsFan]

LOL! Gotta laugh to keep from crying!

[Cody_Russell]

Whoa, Northwestern's uniforms! I would like Army to wear those as main uniforms haha.