U of M thread (in the Lions Forum) :)

[SeattleLionsFan]

I think you mistake talking about with rivalry.

UM fans would much rather beat OSU but there are many more chances to discuss MSU.

[Jamie H]

MSU is at BEST a extremely distant second to OSU. At times they were definitely no better than 3rd behind Notre Dame as well, but Notre Dame's recent suckage has probably flipped things. But MSU will NEVER be Michigan's primary rival in football. Not even close.

[Jamie H]

And Jamie .... you keep putting words in my mouth instead of answering simple questions.

Like this one ... If Nebraska is a better team than MSU then how come they didn't play in the BTC game?

or this one .... was Appalachian state better than Michigan? Or Florida since UM beat florida and App State beat Michigan.

Your argument is super weak.

You're telling me that my argument, that a team that utterly DEMOLISHED you on the field is better than you, is weak while you have put forward the following doozies:

Nebraska isn't better than MSU because they don't currently have a long winning streak against MSU.

Nebraska isn't better than MSU because MSU was ranked higher when they played so therefore it was just a freak upset.

In all seriousness, how do you write this stuff with a straight face?

The cognative dissonance required for you to claim MSU is clearly better than Michgain yet Nebraska is NOT better than MSU is staggering. Nebraska kicked your ass. Even the 21 point differential was closer than the game really was. You managed to score 3 freakin' points.

If you are going to claim that MSU is clearly better than Michigan because they won a game over Michigan at home, it is only logical that Nebraska is clearly better than MSU because they won a game over MSU at home and did it much more dominating fashion. But logic and you don't seem to co-exist very well.

Or, you could take a realistic view of the situation and realize that all 3 teams are pretty much equal with the home team getting the edge in all 3 games between them. But you are SO DESPERATE to hang onto your MSU IS SUPERIOR TO MICHIGAN!!!! mantra that you just keep making up ridiculous arguments that I don't think most people could make with a straight face.

In the end, your silly view on the matter is irrelevant. If Michigan wins in the Sugar Bowl, they will end up a better record and ranking than MSU and in the top 10. Feel free to hang your hat on one game. All anyone else will remember is that Michigan was 11-2 and a top 10 team who won a BcS bowl.

[nhwbrooklyn]

MSU is clearly a little bit better than UofM

[CGVT]

MSU is clearly a little bit better than UofM

Ha!

[Jamie H]

Brooklyn, I actually agree with that. My problem is, if you (meaning anyone, not you specifically) are going to judge UM-MSU based on one game where MSU had the edge, instead of the season, where the teams were about as equal as possible, then how can you not judge Nebraska-MSU the same way?

Using differing sets of criteria to fit whatver outcome you want doesn't fly. Either you use the full season (meaning MSU > Nebraska but UM and MSU are pretty equal) or you use head-to-head (MSU > UM, Nebraska > MSU). You can't pick and choose.

[nhwbrooklyn]

Not one game. Whole season.

It's easy to compute really.

Wins over UofM and @Iowa trump losses to @nebraska and @ND

MSU had a harder schedule (without a doubt SLF).

Hense MSU is a little better this season.

What bothers MSU fans is that if both teams win their bowl games UofM will likely unfairly be ranked higher (as meaningless as that ultimately is).

It's really not a big deal though.

[SeattleLionsFan]

Funny that there is no doubt MSU had a harder schedule when there isn't a single person or computer or unbiased analysis that agrees

Since all evidence points to the opposite conclusion it's amazing you can claim there is "no doubt"

[Kstat]

Not one game. Whole season.

It's easy to compute really.

Wins over UofM and @Iowa trump losses to @nebraska and @ND

MSU had a harder schedule (without a doubt SLF).

Hense MSU is a little better this season.

What bothers MSU fans is that if both teams win their bowl games UofM will likely unfairly be ranked higher (as meaningless as that ultimately is).

It's really not a big deal though.

The pizza bowl agrees with your assessment.

[Jamie H]

6 of the 7 computers rank Michigan higher than MSU. Sagarin says their schedules are equivalent (#41 overall for MSU, #42 for UM) but that is including the Big Ten title game. Without the title game, UM's schedule was ranked tougher than MSU's.

So yeah, there IS a doubt about MSU having a tougher schedule. Seems like the schedules, like the teams, are mostly even.

[nhwbrooklyn]

Funny that there is no doubt MSU had a harder schedule when there isn't a single person or computer or unbiased analysis that agrees

Since all evidence points to the opposite conclusion it's amazing you can claim there is "no doubt"

Actually everyone agrees but the computer (that has simple logic programmed into it).

How can I tell? Because Houston isn't ranked ahead of MSU and UofM. Becuase MSU and UofM nearly identically ranked even with the bias and even with 3 loses vs 2.

MSU schedule was harder. Their wins more impressive.

It's remarkable that you are suggesting MSU's schedule wasn't harder.

[SeattleLionsFan]

Blah blah blah. I've asked for anyone that says that. Youve presented no one. And the computers should at least create a doubt.

UM is the first team in history to play 10 bowl teams.

[nhwbrooklyn]

The pizza bowl agrees with your assessment.

You love the red meat responses.

[nhwbrooklyn]

Blah blah blah. I've asked for anyone that says that. Youve presented no one. And the computers should at least create a doubt.

UM is the first team in history to play 10 bowl teams.

Yeah but I don't believe you believe UofM played a harder schedule.

[nhwbrooklyn]

6 of the 7 computers rank Michigan higher than MSU. Sagarin says their schedules are equivalent (#41 overall for MSU, #42 for UM) but that is including the Big Ten title game. Without the title game, UM's schedule was ranked tougher than MSU's.

So yeah, there IS a doubt about MSU having a tougher schedule. Seems like the schedules, like the teams, are mostly even.

No there really isn't. Just look at the schedules.

MSU played 3 games clearly more difficult than playing UofM.

UofM's hardest game was @MSU.

Are we done yet?

Nobody can say MSU didn't have a harder schedule with a straight face (perhaps it's easier to type it on a forum).