U of M thread (in the Lions Forum) :)

[froot loops]

As much as he knocks RR I thought he wanted to see him go. :-) MSU fans should probably try to convince everyone that Rich is reall y a good coach given enough time.

I'm just commenting on this perception that he had a bare cupboard. That he has had a good offense, etc..

He's been a disaster, there is almost nothing about the guys tenure that any Michigan fan can really like.

[FVD]

CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- The NCAA has accused West Virginia's football program of five major and one secondary rules violations from 2005 to 2009, including under former coach Rich Rodriguez.

The allegations released Thursday allege student managers, graduate assistants and others worked with football players on their skills and techniques in violation of NCAA limits. The alleged violations occurred under both Rodriguez and current coach Bill Stewart.

The allegations say both Rodriguez and Stewart failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance. The NCAA made similar accusations against Rodriguez during an earlier, separate investigation at Michigan.

West Virginia athletic director Oliver Luck said Thursday that WVU has fully cooperated with the NCAA.

"West Virginia University has always prided itself on its commitment to compliance," Luck said in a statement. "We take this responsibility very seriously. I know that our coaches and staff are fully supportive of these obligations."

The NCAA has interviewed more than 80 people during the past nine months, Luck said. The NCAA arrived on West Virginia's campus in April following its investigation into Rodriguez's practices at Michigan.

Luck said West Virginia already has taken strides to avoid further improprieties, including reducing the number of football staff members and restructuring the student manager program. The school also came up with new guidelines for which tasks non-coaching assistants could and could not perform. Luck said West Virginia may impose other measures in the wake of the NCAA's notice.

Stewart became West Virginia's head coach in 2008, taking over for Rodriguez, who left for Michigan after the 2007 season. Under Rodriguez, the Wolverines are being investigated by the NCAA for five potentially major rules violations, including those limiting the time spent on practice and football-related activities.

In May, Michigan self-imposed a reduction in the number of assistants -- so-called quality control staff -- from five to three and banned the assistants from practices, games and coaching meetings for the rest of the coming season.

Michigan admitted that not only had players put in too many hours, but also that too many people were acting as coaches. The school said non-coaches had crossed the line in specific situations and engaged in coaching activities as defined by the NCAA.

"There was absolutely no intent by this coach or any of his assistant coaches to hide anything from compliance," Michigan athletic director Dave Brandon said in May. "We disagree, I disagree, that Rich failed to provide an atmosphere of compliance. Rich has a history of following the rules."

Among the NCAA's allegations involving West Virginia:

• Between the 2005-06 and 2007-08 seasons, non-coaching staff members monitored and/or conducted skill-development activities with football players at least two days a week in the spring and summer.

• Between the 2005-06 and 2007-08 seasons, non-coaching staff members sometimes analyzed video with football players.

• From 2005-06 to 2007-08, non-coaching staff members sat in on coaches' meetings that they were not allowed to attend.

• From 2007-08 to 2009-10, non-coaching staff members did the above and also provided advice and/or corrections to players pertaining to technique and plays.
The NCAA also wants to know if West Virginia believes Rodriguez and/or Stewart knew or should have known of the violations and/or that they were violations of NCAA rules.

"I have spoken at length to Coach Bill Stewart and his staff and I am convinced that they believe in operating a fully compliant football program. Coach Stewart and his coaches have my full support, the full support of the Department of Intercollegiate Athletics and the full support of the university."

[SeattleLionsFan]

Ugh. I was really concerned when the Lloyd hatred were screaming that this would happen.

[froot loops]

Damn that Rosenberg!

[Rocky Bleier]

Why would Bill Stewart continue to do this? Probably because it's standard practice almost everywhere. I'd be more concerned if it suddenly stopped at WVU when RichRod left. West Virginia now has to defend RichRod, otherwise Bill Stewart is a cheater too. Froot's correct. If Lloyd and his gang hadn't put Rosenberg up to sniffing around, it's no story. Oh well, at least Rodriguez doesn't escort kids from jail to the practice field.

[nhwbrooklyn]

Hey now!

I'll take one disappointing year that started with high hopes over what you guys are going through any day of the week

[nhwbrooklyn]

Most RR finishing the year predictions go like this....

[Rocky Bleier]

Hey now!

I'll take one disappointing year that started with high hopes over what you guys are going through any day of the week

I'm almost dreading the upcoming season. It will be interesting to see how the latest chapter of this drama-filled story turns out. If I were a betting man I'd say Brandon pulls the trigger at the end of another poor season and Jim Harbaugh returns to save the day. (Mighty Mouse reference).

[jaadam4]

I'm ok with that.

[Rocky Bleier]

I'm ok with that.

No shit.

[chemiclord]

Except that Michigan will never allow a "traitor" to be their coach, yeah.

[THE STEE]

They would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for you Scoobi doo kids

[Rocky Bleier]

Except that Michigan will never allow a "traitor" to be their coach, yeah.

First, what he said was no big deal. "Michigan should have high academic standards for their athletes" is hardly traitorous. The only problem I ever had with it was his waiting until Bo was dead to speak out. Should have had the balls to say it when the old man was alive. Second, if David Brandon knows Jim Harbaugh, has a good relationship with him, and feels he's the guy that can resurrect the program, yo bet your ass he'd bring him back.

[chemiclord]

Harbaugh is for all intents and purposes black-listed for daring to accuse the university of not being better than everyone else and not having the highest of standards. If there's one thing you don't do to the maize and blue, it's expose their pompousness for the bullshit it is.

You may not think it's a big deal... the board at Michigan, however, does. Hoo boy, do they think it's a big deal.

The university won't allow him to ever coach at Michigan again. He wounded their pride, and that's the most important thing in Ann Arbor. Give up Harbaugh. Give up Miles. Those ships have sailed, and aren't ever coming back.

[jaadam4]

Negative