U of M thread (in the Lions Forum) :)

[fredsue]

I totally disagree with the fact that UM played that shot smart. Pressure ball at in bounds or if not that put two players in the front court to make them go away from basket to get ball...eats more clock...but do not let a guy come up and set his feet for a regular jumpshot type of long shot...make him do something different...

UM played like they did not want to lose they did not play like they wanted to win on that last shot...

of course this team has been soft all year so it follows...

[CGVT]

Oh no! They played "not to lose". Ha!

[chemiclord]

I totally disagree with the fact that UM played that shot smart. Pressure ball at in bounds or if not that put two players in the front court to make them go away from basket to get ball...eats more clock...but do not let a guy come up and set his feet for a regular jumpshot type of long shot...make him do something different...

UM played like they did not want to lose they did not play like they wanted to win on that last shot...

of course this team has been soft all year so it follows...

Were we watching the same game?

That was a lucky heave if there ever was one. He didn't "set" his feet, and if that's how Evan Turner's regular jumpshots look, I don't know how he can be a Top 5 player in the NCAA.

Could they have pressured the ball in the front court? Sure... and they could have also left fewer people on in the defensive court allowing for a fast outlet and easier shot than what was given up.

Was what Beilein went with what I would have done? No. I would have had someone challenging the inbounds pass at least. But at the end of the day, what the defense gave up was a roughly 40 foot shot taken in desperation. You take the results of that every damn time, even in the exceedingly rare occasions that shot goes in.

[fredsue]

watch the film...he did a basic two foot jump stop and elevated with a regular jump shot motion. He was never under pressure from the defense. that was a pretty lucky shot but it was not a heave in the slightest.

If you bring one more guy up to pressure ball...takes away the screen they set and makes turner have to protect the dribble a little..

OSU had only 2 guys at the three point line...we had them out number...bringing one guy up to make screen useless does not leave you out numbered at all...still gives us 3 guys deep ...

[chemiclord]

I have watched the film.

That is the classic definition of a lucky heave made out of desperation.

Come off the ledge, and you'll realize that too.

[fredsue]

I am not on a ledge at all..he clearly did two long dribble steps and a two foot jumpstop then elevated and did a normal shooting motion all the way through to follow through..it was longer than a normal shot but was not contested in the slightest...

UM tried to just play the 131 extended but left the wings back and played it very passively...on purpose I would assume...

once again you bring up one more guy to split the screen and the play is different..he may still make the shot...

[chemiclord]

If that's his normal shooting motion, then he can't be a Top 5 player because he has serious mechanic issues with his shot.

That was the picture perfect example of a desperation heave. He didn't set himself, he shot that at full speed. He "stops" long enough to lunge to full extension, didn't even keep his feet together. He never really stops at all... he can't even control his own momentum, which is why his form looks like shit upon release.

You are 100% delusional right now.

[CGVT]

Isn't that %100?

[fredsue]

you are not supposed to have your feet together on a jump shot. they are supposed to spaced apart for balance and his were....it was pretty much a textbook jump stop no way was he out of control on that jump stop..there was more force on it than normal obviously because it was a longer shot and hence some of the break in form but he shot with one a normal jump shot motion...off hand comes off ball and finishes with ball rolling off fingers with wrist snap and extension.. a typical heave usually comes of one leg take off runner and usually more of a shot put type motion from the shoulder with total body turn and shoulders do not square to the basket...at least that is what I would call a "typical" heave....

was it a long ...not normal shot yes. was he under control and under no defensive pressure from UM yes.

truth is in the film...still was a terrific shot that won the game that won't go in alot of the time....but he was totally under control and I would not call it a heave at all...except that it was longer than a normal jump shot...

[Panoptes]

He's a chucker!

[Kstat]

you are not supposed to have your feet together on a jump shot. they are supposed to spaced apart for balance and his were....it was pretty much a textbook jump stop no way was he out of control on that jump stop..there was more force on it than normal obviously because it was a longer shot and hence some of the break in form but he shot with one a normal jump shot motion...off hand comes off ball and finishes with ball rolling off fingers with wrist snap and extension.. a typical heave usually comes of one leg take off runner and usually more of a shot put type motion from the shoulder with total body turn and shoulders do not square to the basket...at least that is what I would call a "typical" heave....

was it a long ...not normal shot yes. was he under control and under no defensive pressure from UM yes.

truth is in the film...still was a terrific shot that won the game that won't go in alot of the time....but he was totally under control and I would not call it a heave at all...except that it was longer than a normal jump shot...

Fred...I think there is a gap between people that understand the subtle nuances of basketball and those that just don't get it.

[Niffla]

John Beilein admits strategy 'backfired' vs. Ohio State in final seconds

Angelique S. Chengelis / The Detroit News

Michigan coach John Beilien said Monday during a radio appearance on WTKA 1050 that U-M's defense on its final play against Ohio State last Friday was "too soft" and that his decision with 2.2 seconds remaining "backfired."

Michigan was that close to advancing to the Big Ten tournament semifinals when Ohio State's Evan Turner hit a 37-foot desperation shot for a 69-68 victory.

Beilein has taken considerable heat from fans in recent days for Michigan's defense of the play, and while Beilein accepted the criticism, he tried to explain his decision-making during his radio interview.

"Obviously you have to do something, you have to decide quickly what you're going to do," Beilein said on WTKA. "Whatever I did, it backfired, and there's no question about it."

His expectation was that the Buckeyes would try to get the ball inside to tie the game, so Beilein had his players clog the area under the basket.
"My thinking the whole time is they're so athletic and with 2.2 seconds, it's incredible what can get done if you allow them to catch the ball down at your end of the court," he said.

"In a jump-ball situation, (David) Lighty, Evan Turner and (William) Buford win that jump ball every time, they're just so athletic.

"We wanted to make them make a half-court shot and just play it soft and stay between them and the basket, and we just picked it up a little late, and that falls as my responsibility.

"We wanted to pick the ball up right away, when I saw Stu (Douglass) off too far I should have called a quick timeout.

"The ball was going inbounds and I couldn't do it. (Turner) should have made a 55-footer instead of a 40-footer, and that's the explanation I have."

Beilein said if he could replay the moment, he would have called timeout and readjusted Douglass' defense.

[Niffla]

Beilein's a moron. Didn't he know that Turner's shot had only a 10% chance of going in?!?!

You give that to him every time!

[chemiclord]

He's probably saying that to assuage butthurt Walmart Wolverines like you all that lose their minds off a lucky shot.

And go ahead and play semantics. If you think that shot from Turner was a "natural shooting motion", you're all fucking idiots. "Feet together" refers to having your legs within your shoulders, not splayed out like a spread eagle as you lunge forward to chuck a last second shot.

But hey, semantics is all you got to justify your irrational anger.

Besides, what he says there is common sense. Sure, you'd love to make someone shoot from 15 feet further out. Once again, if the last shot of the game is a 40 foot desperation heave, you take that. Every time. Doesn't mean you wouldn't rather it be a 55 foot desperation heave.

There's plenty to give Beilein shit about this season. The game against OSU isn't one of them.

[WingsFan]

It over, beating a dead horse now. Football started spring practice today Rich Rod is going to have the team good and ready for the first loss vs UCONN.