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[Islair]

Wow. Whats his problem?

[Marko69]

QPR losing @ home to the very shit Port Vale........, or as this guy likes to call them.... "PORT FUUCKING VALE!!!"

I like the guy further back shouting, "wanker, sit down!!" LOL

[Tony G]

He does not have the temperament to be a Lions fan.

[Panoptes]

"A lot of comments are made about how tough the teenage years are because of rebellious attitudes, etc."
-------------------------I have two teenagers and have yet to see any of this. I make the kids accountable as you say and give them independence. I don't give my kids an allowance. I think giving kids an allowance gives them an entitlement feeling. If my kids want money they have to work for it. All jobs have a monetary value. Cleaning a bathrrom has a value. Vacuuming a room has a value. etc. They want money for something they have to earn it just like in the real world.

Where I come from, "allowance" has always been tied to what did one do to earn any schilling(s) during a set time frame.

Nothing is free round here!

[DanO]

"Where I come from, "allowance" has always been tied to what did one do to earn any schilling(s) during a set time frame.

Nothing is free round here!"
------------------Same here Gonz but somewhere along the line actually doing the work to earn the allowance was dropped by our omniscient liberal parents feeling there was no need for their poor baby's to actually have to work. The age of entitlement was born.

[SeattleLionsFan]

Of course.

[froot loops]

I got an allowance when I was younger, I turned out OK. I think my dad was somewhat conservative.

[DanO]

I knew you would like that SLF. So you disagree giving children money for doing nothing creates a sense of entitlement?

Were you required to do chores for that allowance Loops? I disagree you turned out OK btw. :-)

[Malto Marko]

"Where I come from, "allowance" has always been tied to what did one do to earn any schilling(s) during a set time frame.

Nothing is free round here!"
------------------Same here Gonz but somewhere along the line actually doing the work to earn the allowance was dropped by our omniscient liberal parents feeling there was no need for their poor baby's to actually have to work. The age of entitlement was born.

Heh, heh. My wife and I disagreed about allowances. I felt they should work for allowance and she felt it should be automatic but with the understanding each had regular jobs that they should have to do.

After a period where none of the regular jobs got done and in fact, they became angry and hostile over the idea they were expected to do it, allowance was stopped.

When they ran out of money, they started asking if they could do certain jobs they did not have a problem with in exchange for items they wanted. When they were given a smaller amount than expected (Read: Hey mom, I will wash your car if you buy me this video game. Mom: I will give you $5 to wash my car and if you need more money, $10 to cut the grass, back and front). The response was forget it, it's not worth it.

Unfortunately, video games requested ended up being birthday and Christmas presents so there was not a valuable lesson learned here.

[SeattleLionsFan]

I knew you would like that SLF. So you disagree giving children money for doing nothing creates a sense of entitlement?

Were you required to do chores for that allowance Loops? I disagree you turned out OK btw. :-)

I disagree that it is a liberal thing, and I disagree that is the main culprit for the "culture of entitlement."

Taking pride in being a parent, now that creates a sense of entitlement. As if your kids did anything special in simply being. Ridiculous. Call me when they've won a nobel prize, or are valedictorian, or are dating the head cheerleader.

[froot loops]

I had no routine chores, maybe take out the garbage or something like that.

I've tried doing allowances with my kids tied to chores, but it hasn't really worked. Its not like they need money, and its not like they have a lot of time. Irish dance and sports take up most of the free time.

[Coop]

In the real world - nothing is given. You have to earn it. Grew up in a single parent household where money was tight. Started working at an early age and the only things "given" to me was food, clothes, and a roof over my head.

Although we've sort of already spoiled our kids - as they are growing they are now being given less. It's a very important lesson to learn in life. A big part of being a responsible adult.

[froot loops]

Kids will learn about the real world soon enough in my opinion.

[Coop]

froot - some kids grow up to be adults with no concept of money management.

[froot loops]

That might be true, but I'm not sure teaching them the real world as kids is all that effective. Like I said I got an allowance and didn't have many chores, my money management skills came along. I'm not sure my parents had all that much active involvement in nurturing my money magement skills.

My dad had this sweet technique of not actually giving me money but saying he would lend me the money, I'm not sure he ever collected on the money he ever lent me.