Red Wings

[Tony G]

Scotty Bowman is definitely a name I wish we had back. It's some bullshit that he's helped the Hawks build a powerhouse like this

High draft picks did that Jad.

I don't disagree that they had young talent but you can't deny he's left his mark there as well. And don't discount the Hossa move either. That was one of the worst decisions we've made in along time.

And yes I know the salary cap played a part.

If his son didn't have the job there he wouldn't have left us. It's not like there was room for him in the D

[froot loops]

His imprint there is overrated. They had a lot of high draft picks that panned out, draft picks that were done before he got there.

[Malto Marko]

I would take his overrated ass back in a New York second.

[Tony G]

ayup

[froot loops]

I didn't say he was overrated strawman. His imprint over there was, he went over there and it was a formed team. I'm sure he's helped, but he isn't running things, he isn't coaching them. He didn't get them Kane and Toews.

[Tony G]

We don't know what the level of his input is there or what it was on the wings. I believe his input made Ken Holland a much better and effective GM.

[jaadam4]

Exactly

[froot loops]

The way Jad talks about him is he went over and created the Blackhawks, the fact is the big guns were there from the benefit of high draft picks. And he's not the GM.

[Tony G]

No he isn't, he's the jedi master that's whispering in the GM's ear.

[froot loops]

I guess

[jaadam4]

Yeah.. You're right Froot. I'm glad he's gone. After he was done coaching he didn't do anything for the Wings besides collect a paycheck and be a name. Front offices are one man and one man only. That's the GM and that's it.

Is that better ?

[Newbomb Turk]

No he isn't, he's the jedi master that's whispering in the GM's ear.

Bowman or Xanders ?

[Malto Marko]

I didn't say he was overrated strawman. His imprint over there was, he went over there and it was a formed team. I'm sure he's helped, but he isn't running things, he isn't coaching them. He didn't get them Kane and Toews.

I have been called jackass, asshole and a number of other things. Strawman? Not so much.

Fact is, he was instrumental in the decision of whether to resign the young players that had earned the right to higher contracts (which was not something the Chicago Ownership was known for doing). He was also instrumental in bringing in role players and building the third and fourth lines.

His acumen for evaluating talent is unequaled and he always seems to find the right guys for the right job.

Just because some of the players were already there does not mean they were good enough to make a run. He is the one that stabilized the roster and improved the bottom of the roster.

That can't be denied.

[froot loops]

You are called strawman because I didn't say he was overrated. But his imprint there is.

[Malto Marko]

...and I am saying you are wrong because he had input on resigning Kane and Towes.

I did not understand why Hossa decided to jump to the Hawks when he had a good thing going with the Wings but, there might have been a bit of conversation with his Agent and Bowman and knowledge of his future intents may have been discussed. ......which is a huge imprint if my theoretical logic is correct.