Hamp, Wood, Disner and Spielman were being thrown into a foxhole together, trying to figure out who to hire; and the task was herculean. The Lions had been trying to find a winning culture, that could be sustained, since 1957 — the team’s last title.
“We spent a lot of time, ahead of time, thinking about what are we really looking for?” Hamp said.
In the past, the organization had tried just about everything: young coaches and old ones, retreads and new treads, defensive-minded coaches and offensive ones, not to mention, Tom Izzo’s best friend. But the losing was so pervasive that Wayne Fontes, the winningest coach in team history, actually had a losing record (66-67).
As far as GMs, they tried everything from older schoolers to a converted TV guy to someone from the New England tree.
In short, nothing had worked for long.
The futility could be measured not only in years, but in decades, if not lifetimes.
So, instead of trying to fix the organization piecemeal, which is what the Lions had done countless times, churning through different GMs and coaches, they started to develop a much bigger plan. To change the organization at its core.
“What is your vision, Sheila?” Spielman asked. “What do you want? What type of team do you want? What type of organization do you want?”
As they brainstormed, trying to come up with the guiding principles of this new organization, Spielman wrote the cornerstones on a whiteboard:
Leadership.
Culture.
Staff.
Under staff, Spielman drew three arrows: “Manage, find the best and handling turnover.”
Handling turnover? It’s ironic, now, that the Lions have become so successful that everybody is trying to poach their coordinators and even Spielman, who just completed a virtual interview for the New York Jets GM role. But it’s also interesting this organization started preparing for turnover before it even started to taste success.
Out on the margin, Spielman drew an arrow pointing at culture: “Stay focused on this,” he wrote and underlined four times.
In Hamp’s mind, it went back to her “noble cause.”
“We wanted somebody that understood the city, understood kind of where the city had been, where it's going, kind of understanding our fans,” she said.
Hamp, Wood, Disner and Spielman all signed the whiteboard on 12/29/2020; then Holmes and Campbell signed it after they were hired, like it was a binding agreement.
Now, a framed copy hangs in their offices.
At this point, you could roll your eyes and say: Those are just buzzwords.
Or you could scoff: A noble cause? Get real.
But when you consider how this organization has been transformed, when you learn how those guiding principles determined whom they hired and how they built this organization and even how they select players, when you find how the rest of the NFL is trying to copy the Lions' way or just flat out poach their coaching talent, when you see how the fan base has become electrified from all the success — a noble cause indeed — the words on that whiteboard seem even bigger. They offer a road map on how they did it.
It explains why they were willing to risk hiring Holmes and Campbell.
“We have got a lot of great stories on this team,” Hamp said. “Everyone's in love with Dan Campbell. How can you not be? Dan is Dan. He's really one of the most charismatic leaders I've ever seen in my life. Plus, I think he's one of the most emotionally intelligent people I've ever met.
"You know you listen to his postgame speeches in the locker room, win or lose, he has the right thing to say. I hear him at practice, and he just knows kind of when the team needs maybe a kick in the pants, or whether they need to have fun, or whether they need a little encouragement. I mean, whatever it is, he's just got such a handle on it.”
But how they put together this team is a wild story on its own.
Elephant in the room
They interviewed 12 candidates for the GM job and eight for head coach.
“Each person we interviewed, we'd say, ‘Well, what do you think of our team?’ ” Hamp remembers. “And, you know, they said, ‘Well, at least you have a quarterback, right?' ”
Trouble was. They didn’t. Stafford wanted to be traded.
After every interview, the four would grade the candidates.
“We filled out a grade sheet — kind of like a scouting report,” Spielman said.
“Everyone kind of came at it from a different angle,” Hamp said. “And, you know, we didn't always agree, and that was perfect.”
The list of candidates kept morphing. Holmes wasn’t on the original list, but Disner found a video of a mock interview.
If you wonder if the Lions' success is sustainable, the fact Disner found Holmes in a pile of video clips should be encouraging.
“The NFL has these sort of canned interviews that you can look at,” Hamp said. “They've got tons of them — GMs or presidents, or whatever. And he found Brad's interview, and he said, ‘You guys have to see this guy.’
“And we all did, and we kind of went, whoa.”
Finding a fresh start
Hamp started every interview by being blunt with the candidates, describing the organization’s past mistakes as well as her vision.
“She would talk about the history of how we got to where we are, and philosophically, what she wanted to see going forward,” Disner said. “It's representing the community, the organization, her family, to the point where we are cohesive, working together, no real siloes, and ultimately, working together toward a common goal, as opposed to … “
Well, the way they had been doing it.
“She was very clear in terms of the direction the organization wanted to take and the pitfalls of the organization’s past,” Disner said.
They didn’t want to bring in a GM and coach from the same organization — that would be trying to copy somebody else.
The Lions were trying to create their own culture. They were looking for new leadership. Someone who would embrace it. But it was a complicated process. During every interview, they had to define Spielman’s role, because it was so unusual.
“It could be intimidating,” Wood said. “If you were coming in as a GM, well, who is this gonna be, this guy who played for the Lions, legendary player? He could be the GM. His brother is a GM.
"And same thing on the coaching side. So, we kind of described it as, he's here to help us. He's not looking to do your job. He's not looking to overlook you. And I think it would only work with somebody like Chris.”
Brad Holmes finds a home
When Holmes interviewed, he came across as smart, incredibly prepared and offered a sharp analysis of the state of the Lions.
“He blew us all away,” Hamp said. “He said things about our team specifically that no one else had said. His insights were incredible for someone who wasn't here.”
Holmes remembers how that interview was just so unusual.
“It just felt different,” he said. “It felt home, like family. It felt like it was a conversation.”
In the interview, Hamp made clear she wanted an organization built on collaboration.
“But it wasn't an in-depth conversation about culture,” Holmes said.
It was clear to him the Lions had “thoroughly did their homework, research and vetting thoroughly enough to know” what he stood for before they even interviewed him.
“I probably spoke more about my background and my upbringing and those kinds of things,” Holmes said, “more so than what kind of culture you need to have.”
Tell me about Dan Campbell
At the same time, the Lions were trying to find a coach, which was like trying to build a house, while trying to hire a general contractor at the same time the architect was drawing up the plans.
It was a whirlwind.
Spielman had noticed Campbell while calling his games on TV.
“I watched him,” he said. “Because he draws you to him. If you're a competitor or you're a player, you're drawn to that. He has an aura or that it quality factor.”
Spielman called then-New Orleans head coach Sean Payton, who had known Campbell for years, both as a player and from working with him as a coach.
“Tell me about Dan Campbell,” Spielman said.
Payton talked for 28 straight minutes.
“He didn't stop,” Spielman said. ”I was looking on my watch — 28 minutes.”
Campbell was put on the list of candidates.
But he was just a name on a list that kept morphing.
An interview for the ages
Campbell’s interview has become something of lore in Allen Park.
“Dan's interview was probably the most unique,” Disner said. “He was at a random hotel in New Orleans, I believe, and he was jumping off the screen. He was up in his seat. He was crushing the biggest Starbucks I've ever seen. You know, at one point he kind of did one of these — “
Disner mimicked slamming a gulp of coffee.
Like somebody guzzling a mug of beer.
“Just threw it down,” Disner said. “You could feel the energy through Zoom, which is really hard to do. And Brad, too, you know, there were two people that you could feel the energy. You could feel the desire and how they wanted to come here and make a difference.”
Whatever makes a leader, Wood could see it in Campbell: “Some people just have it, and whatever the it factor is, Dan has it, you know, in spades. And it came through in the interview, same with Brad.”
While searching for a coach can seem like speed dating, this was different at its core. It was clear both Holmes and Campbell wanted the job desperately. During their interviews, it was clear both had done extensive research on the Lions, the city, the team’s history, the ownership and had ideas on how the organization could succeed.
“Dan desperately, passionately wanted the job,” Spielman said. “Wanted to come here. He wanted to be a part of what Detroit was doing. He believed in Sheila’s vision.”
Spielman picked up on something else he deemed vital.
“The other thing that really sold me on him, and I'll never forget this, he said, ‘I will get good coaches to come with me,’ ” Spielman said. “He said that without any arrogance or without any cockiness. And the reason why that's so important in this world, sometimes coaches are afraid to hire guys that are maybe smarter than them or better than them, because they may view them as a threat. He's not.
"He's so confident in his ability and what he does. He wants to hire guys that may have strengths that he does not have, because we all don't have every strength. And so that's what really sold me.”
Now remember, this was done during COVID-19. At a time when the world was adjusting to Zoom calls. But that didn’t stop either Holmes or Campbell.
“When a leader stands out, through a one-dimensional screen — and both Dan and Brad stood out, exuding leadership in that kind of tough environment — you say, ‘Oh, this is interesting,’ ” Wood said. “Let's learn more about this person.”
Revealing the Stafford news
Then came the tricky part. The elephant in the room — oh, by the way, you don’t have a quarterback.
“So how did they react?” I asked.
“I'll start with Brad,” Wood said. “And I said, ‘well, before you take the job, oh, here's something you should know.‘ ”
But Holmes didn’t blink.
“He said, ‘Oh, OK, let's go,' ” Wood said, slamming his fist on the table. “ 'Let's figure this out. I can really build my team, as opposed to one I inherited, and one I have to build around him.' ”
While going through different interviews, Wood preferred GM candidates with a strong draft background because he figured they would get a haul in trading Stafford.
What did Campbell say, when told that they were going to trade Stafford?
“Dan said the same thing — ‘Let's go. Let's go!’ ” Wood remembers.
There was one last but vital question: How would they work together?
The Lions were about to hire Holmes and Campbell, even though they had never met.
“I introduced them via cellphone,” Wood said.
“You guys talk,” Wood said. “Because you're likely going to be working together, and I want to make sure that they see the world the same way.”
That’s where there was a bit of luck, too.
It was like they were meant to be together.
“Brad said, ‘Did he read my book?’ ” Hamp said. “They were so on the same page about everything — what kind of team they wanted to build, what kind of players, so we were pretty sure, you know.”
The next day, the Lions hired Campbell.
It would be disingenuous to say the Lions knew this would work out so spectacularly.
“That was a little bit of luck,” Hamp admitted.
At its core, this was an arranged marriage. “We thought we were doing the right thing, but, you know, it could have blown up,” she said.
It took tremendous courage for a brand-new owner to hire a first-time GM and a first-time coach. There were all kinds of examples in the NFL where that had failed in the past.
“Big reward comes with big risks sometimes,” Wood said.
But they trusted their process, guided by the principles on that whiteboard.
“We were pretty sure these were the right people,” Hamp said. “Dan, of course, played on the 0-and-16 team. He was in Detroit for a couple years and he and his wife, Holly, loved the city. And he has seen the team at probably its worst and still loved everything about it and really wanted to be here.”
But hiring Campbell and Holmes was just the first step.
Coming Monday: Part Two, Brad Holmes defines the on-field product.
Contact Jeff Seidel: jseidel@freepress.com. Follow him on X @seideljeff. To read his recent columns, go to freep.com/sports/jeff-seidel.
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