Mash Unit vs Trash Unit. Gameday Thread. packers at Lions 12/5/24

[chemiclord]

Apparently, going for it in that situation was actually a roughly 3% decrease in their odds of winning, which is a fairly large swing for a single play.

Now, what I'd say, and what I say with all analytics, is that they are wonderful guidelines. They shouldn't be taken as infallible gospel, simply because analytics tend to be terrible at taking circumstances at the moment into account. I'd say, given the situation that the Lions were in, with the defense in the state it was in, the Packers having already scored 24 points in the half, but only having about 40 seconds and no timeouts... that the decision to go for it was close enough to a 50/50 proposition that you can make a sound, reasonable case for any call made there.

At that point, there are no "good" or "bad" decisions; just good or bad results.

[froot loops]

The analytics said to kick the field goal but it wasn't some great disparity.

[DanO]

Campbell takes everything into consideration when making decisions including feelings and situational awareness. He doesn't care what the media and/or the pundits think nor does he coach from the "Good Old Boys coaching 101 manual?.". He does what he thinks is best for each situation....................and it's one of the many things I LOVE about him!

[Meano.Culpa]

Good bot.

[Mainevent]

Interestingly the same bot says the 4th and 1 at their own 31 was a very strong go for it at +5.9.

https://x.com/ben_bot_baldwin/status/1864876601822847348

[chemiclord]

Interestingly the same bot says the 4th and 1 at their own 31 was a very strong go for it at +5.9.

https://x.com/ben_bot_baldwin/status...76601822847348

And ya know, the more I muse on it, the less I'm bothered by the decision to go for it, and more bothered by the play or plays chosen. A long developing sweep against defenders that had been shooting gaps like they were suspects fleeing a crime scene pretty much all game was simply not a good call there.

[DanO]

And ya know, the more I muse on it, the less I'm bothered by the decision to go for it, and more bothered by the play or plays chosen. A long developing sweep against defenders that had been shooting gaps like they were suspects fleeing a crime scene pretty much all game was simply not a good call there.

I HATE long developing plays when a first down is necessary.

[El Axe]

Apparently, going for it in that situation was actually a roughly 3% decrease in their odds of winning, which is a fairly large swing for a single play.

Now, what I'd say, and what I say with all analytics, is that they are wonderful guidelines. They shouldn't be taken as infallible gospel, simply because analytics tend to be terrible at taking circumstances at the moment into account. I'd say, given the situation that the Lions were in, with the defense in the state it was in, the Packers having already scored 24 points in the half, but only having about 40 seconds and no timeouts... that the decision to go for it was close enough to a 50/50 proposition that you can make a sound, reasonable case for any call made there.

At that point, there are no "good" or "bad" decisions; just good or bad results.

Yep, agree.

I'd add that going for it, win or lose, is the kind of thing that defines a Dan Campbell team which inspires his players and is a positive long-term result in and of itself.

Also, like you said, analytics don't take the circumstances of the moment into account. I also wonder whether it takes into account the strengths of the individual teams, or does it only consider generic teams? If so, yet another reason to take the advice with a grain of salt.

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Detroit Lions film review: Exploring formations, alignments and execution of defenders in new or expanded roles

Justin Rogers
Dec 7






Allen Park — Maybe I’m reading more into it than I should, but the Detroit Lions’ decision to use three players signed days earlier on the team’s first defensive snap almost felt like an act of defiance.

It was as if defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn was announcing to the world, ‘Yeah, we’re shorthanded, so what?’


It wasn’t always pretty — it never was going to be — but Glenn still managed to paint a masterpiece in what was arguably his finest coaching performance to date. Missing five starters from the team's Week 1 front seven, and losing another to injury in the opening half, the defense opened up with three stops, held the Green Bay Packers to seven points in the first half, and got enough down the stretch to help the team to a critical division win, preserving their position atop the NFC with four games remaining in the regular season.

In all, 21 defenders saw the field and 18 played at least eight snaps. There were five debuts — including four players who joined the Lions last week — and two career-high workloads. For this week’s film review, we’re going to revisit how Glenn pieced together the game plan, how he utilized the new pieces, and how each performed within their roles.



Defensive tackle Patrick O’Connor

41 defensive snaps (career-high)

It’s not a leap to suggest O’Connor’s role grew significantly when Alim McNeill had to leave the field in the first quarter for a concussion evaluation and was eventually ruled out after the half.


O’Connor, who had logged 39 defensive snaps combined the previous five games, came in during the first series after McNeill initially exited and provided an immediate impact.

On third-and-5, O'Connor lined up in a 1-technique, between the center and left guard. Firing off the ball at the snap, he was able to split the blockers and pressure Packers quarterback Jordan Love to throw off his back foot, resulting in an incompletion and a punt.


O’Connor continued to have an early impact with another third-down pressure that ended Green Bay’s next possession. Rushing the opposite A-gap, he beat the center at the snap and flushed Love from the pocket, resulting in quarterback hits for teammates Ezekiel Turner and Za’Darius Smith, as well as another incompletion.


Whether an in-game adjustment or the plan, O’Connor repped ahead of starter Brodric Martin as a nose tackle when McNeill returned for the Packers’ 11-play touchdown drive in the second quarter.

Green Bay did almost all of their damage on the ground, but O’Connor was solid during the possession, outside of an encroachment infraction where he jumped early. He played his gap well against a double team on a 19-yard Josh Jacobs run when a teammate missed a tackle and later drew a holding infraction on the drive.


In the second half, with McNeill ruled out, O’Connor saw more work as a 3-tech (aligned between the guard and tackle), with Martin resuming his role as the nose tackle to open the third quarter.

O’Connor struggled to maintain the consistency of this early impact as a pass rusher but still offered some flashes with power instead of quickness. He relentlessly drove the left guard into the pocket on a flea flicker, resulting in a throwaway, and similarly pushed the center deep into the pocket from a 1-tech alignment on third down that series, rushing a throw that was stopped short of the sticks.


Concluding thoughts: I was surprised to see O’Connor as PFF’s lowest-graded defender from the game. They credited him for two QB pressures, while I had him down for three. Where they killed him was as a run defender.


The performance in that area admittedly wasn’t anything to write home about. He just doesn’t offer the same play strength as McNeill or Reader, but it wasn’t like O’Connor was consistently getting blown out of his gaps all night. He lost up front a couple times during the first-half touchdown drive, where Green Bay amassed more than 60% of their rushing total on the day, but his most egregious error during that possession was losing the integrity of his rush lane, allowing for Love to scramble up the gut for 14.

If the Lions didn’t love rushing Za’Darius Smith from the inside so much in obvious passing situations — for good reason, mind you — I would think O’Connor would merit a larger role in that department when the defensive front is closer to full strength.




Defensive lineman Jonah Williams

25 defensive snaps

Williams, the 290-pounder signed off the Rams practice squad last week, was one of the trio of newcomers on the field for that first snap. It was an inauspicious start as the big-bodied lineman lost his footing, presumably trying to set up an interior twist.


Operating mostly from 3-tech and 4i alignments (across the inside shoulder of the offensive tackle), almost all of Williams’ work came on first and second down. He was also involved in Detroit's deep red zone package, where he saw his only third-down rep.

As a rusher, Williams generated pressure on one of his dozen pass snaps, blowing by the right guard and hitting Love on a short completion to Christian Watson that the receiver would eventually fumble.


As a run defender, Williams got better as the game progressed. He plays with good leverage and a strong base, allowing him to hold his ground against blockers. It’s the same power that allows him to get an effective pass-rush push when utilizing a bull rush.


Concluding thoughts: Williams has a strong fundamental base and it’s difficult to not see a lot of skill set overlap with John Cominsky, based on their similar size, athleticism, and ability to play inside and out.

It’s a small sample size of viewing Williams, but the initial impression is his hands aren’t as good as Cominsky’s, which could limit the new addition’s rush potential. Still, Williams offers the ability to be a steady and reliable run defender once gets a little more acclimated with how he’s expected to operate within Detroit’s scheme.



Defensive tackle Brodric Martin

23 defensive snaps

Martin got his first start and nearly doubled his career snap count. You could sense his energy on the game’s opening snap via his leg drive and active hands allowing him to push into the pocket.


It was a good opening series for Martin overall, who saw three snaps, all directly lined up over the center (0-technique), but he’d play just four reps the remainder of the half.

With McNeill out, Martin’s role increased to start the third quarter. He anchored well against a double-team on the opening snap, helping, along with Williams, to force Jacobs to the perimeter, where he was tackled by safety Brian Branch for a loss.


Martin’s first ugly snap came on a Jacobs’ touchdown run in the third quarter as several Detroit defenders were unprepared for a quick snap. Martin got initially spun around and never appeared to locate the ball as the back weaved by him into the end zone.


He also got knocked off balance and moved from his gap on another Jacobs’ touchdown run later in the half.


Concluding thoughts: Honestly, it’s about what I expected from Martin in his first extensive playing time, maybe even a little better. Overall, I thought he handled double teams well, but there were some predictable lapses, which were potentially magnified by fatigue from the unusually high workload.

As a pass-rusher, outside of the first snap, he offered almost nothing, but that’s not entirely unexpected for a 330-pound nose tackle.

The consistency of his leverage has definitely improved since his first training camp, but there remains significant room for growth.



Edge rusher Za’Darius Smith

23 defensive snaps


It was a surprise for many that Smith had such a small role in the victory. Given there was no obvious sign of injury, I imagine the game plan was built around reserving the veteran for more obvious passing situations and leaning on Williams and Al-Quadian Muhammad to handle early downs with a focus on stopping the run.

Still, Smith came out swinging, recording a sack on the first defensive snap. Rushing from the left side of the defensive formation, he absorbed a chip from the tight end before putting the right tackle on skates with his bull rush, disengaging from the block as he drew level with Love in the pocket to drop the QB.



Smith would actually play the first three defensive snaps, bowling over the center and hitting Love on the third, which was ultimately negated by a pass interference flag against Branch.

The edge rusher remained impactful on third down the following drive, disengaging from the block of left guard Elgton Jenkins to clobber Love as he threw while rolling away from a collapsing pocket.


Smith caught a long breather after that play as the Packers turned it over two plays into their third series and went on a ground-and-pound session with their fourth drive, avoiding obvious pass-rush situations.


Receiving two snaps at the end of the fourth drive, Smith was flagged for hands to the face on the first before coming up with a first-and-goal run stop on the second after a 5-yard gain.

Smith continued a similar pattern in the second half, bouncing between inside and outside alignments, mostly on obvious passing downs. His biggest impact down the stretch came on Detroit’s final two defensive snaps.


On second-and-16, he split a double team when the coverage forced Love to hold the ball too long, and that pressure led to a throwaway. Then, on third down, Smith got pressure up the middle rushing from the inside, forcing the QB to scramble where he was stopped well short of the sticks, leading to a field goal try.

Concluding thoughts: After needing to play 55 snaps on Thanksgiving, the Lions were able to lighten Smith’s load with the addition of a couple larger-framed ends to the roster. The veteran continued to have an impact as a rusher, lining up all across the front.



Defensive lineman Myles Adams

19 defensive snaps

Adams told me coming into the game, he was slated to play more big end, but he logged more of his playing time as a 3-technique after McNeill went out. Adams was the last of the four newcomers to enter the game, getting his first action on Detroit’s second defensive series.


The initial snap wasn’t his best, with the left tackle driving Adams out of his gap, widening the lane for Jacobs to gain 5 yards on first down. The defender would go on to play seven snaps in the first half, including six run plays, but didn’t have much of an impact.

Adams didn’t take the field again until Green Bay’s third drive of the second half, getting credit for a QB hit on the failed flea flicker. With his rush initially stymied, he continued to fight, spinning away from his blocker to get late pressure on the play before taking a diving swipe at Love’s legs as the quarterback released his pass.


Adams was on the field for nearly the duration of Green Bay’s nine-play, game-tying drive late in the fourth quarter. It was evident he was settling in during the possession, particularly as a pass rusher.

On an early pass play from a 3-tech alignment, he works through two blockers and never loses his rush lane integrity, putting him in position to affect the pass when Jack Campbell’s blitz moves Love off his spot.


Concluding thoughts: Adams’ addition felt like a Mekhi Wingo replacement, and early impressions are he has the potential to actually be an upgrade there.


Adams plays with a strong set of fundamentals, staying low and square to the line of scrimmage when filling his run gaps. Of course, as an undersized interior defender, double teams can get him off his spots, no different than Wingo.

As a pass rusher, Adams' hands are active and he’s conscientious about not overrunning the pocket, helping prevent unnecessary escape lanes by mirroring the quarterback’s movements.

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Linebacker Ezekiel Turner

17 defensive snaps


It's not a coincidence Turner played the same number of snaps as slot cornerback Amik Robertson. This is shaping up to be the veteran linebacker’s role. The Lions value his skill set on passing downs, with his speed in coverage and ability to affect the pocket as a blitzer when the running back stays in protection.

In a couple of the clips used to show O’Connor’s early impact as a pass rusher, you can see Turner (No. 47), similarly causing problems coming through the A gap on both plays. The linebacker is the one who got the third-down hit on the quarterback, forcing an incompletion to end the second drive.


Interestingly, there was a play early in the game where Turner is put in conflict between sticking with his coverage assignment or adjusting to address Love as a scramble threat. On that snap, Turner puts emphasis on coverage and the QB got loose for a 14-yard gain.

But on the Packers’ final defensive snap, when Turner faced the same decision, he committed to Love, dropping the QB in space and forcing the opponent to settle for a field goal.


Concluding thoughts: Turner is developing into a solid piece for the Lions. He utilizes a skill set he’s cultivated as a top special teamer across the past six seasons, which helps him avoid blocks on his path from point A to B. That's helpful when blitzing or on the rare run play when he’s on the field.

In coverage, he’s got excellent range and can quickly close space on a running back heading into the flat. As a former safety, he brings value in zone coverage, but his feel for those assignments closer to the line of scrimmage is a weakness, particularly when a play breaks down and he has to react to the offense's scramble rules. Of course, the tackle on Love at the end of the game was an encouraging sign.



Linebacker Kwon Alexander

17 defensive snaps

Alexander was on the field for the opening defensive snap, playing off-ball alongside Campbell. The veteran’s primary usage came on first and second downs throughout the contest.


What was evident immediately was Alexander’s confidence in his assignments, bred through familiarity with Glenn's scheme. That allowed the linebacker to trigger aggressively.

Alexander had an impact on his second and third snap, dropping Jacobs after a yard when the back tried a backside lane, before firing into the flat and being the first on the scene on a tunnel screen that was stopped for a gain of 3 on second-and-9.


Alexander continued to show his knack for filling run gaps on the Packers’ long drive in the second quarter with a pair of stops on gains of 3 and 1 yard.

We didn’t see a lot of Alexander in coverage, but he had one rough snap, when he was slow to recover to his zone drop after a play fake, allowing tight end Tucker Kraft to run into space for a big gain.


Concluding thoughts: In his debut, Alexander already felt like he was Detroit’s best run-defending linebacker outside of Campbell. That could nicely backfill the absence of Malcolm Rodriguez until Alex Anzalone comes back from a broken forearm.



Linebacker David Long Jr.

16 defensive snaps

Prior to Alexander’s addition, it felt like Long would be the leading candidate for early-down work off the ball. Instead, his first playing time didn’t come until the third series, when he was the fortunate benefactor of a fumble forced by Carlton Davis III.


Long was actually beaten in coverage on the snap, stumbling after jamming Kraft at the line of scrimmage, but the defender was able to scoop up the loose ball because he continued to pursue the ball with effort after the miscue.

On the Packers’ sustained ground march in the second quarter, Long got a lot of the early work during the drive and struggled, initially with shedding second-level blockers, followed by an overcommitment triggering on the lead blocker, vacating his gap on a 7-yard run.


Long’s work was limited to a handful of snaps deep in the red zone — where he added helpful size to the second level — until the Packers’ final drive in the fourth quarter. His gap-filling was much better during this possession, and he delivered a thunderous hit that sent Packers receiver Dontayvion Wicks to the sideline.

But Long also had a coverage gaffe, overlapping with Campbell while trying to pick up the back's release to the flat, vacating the middle of the field as Love found Wicks for a 26-yard gain.


Concluding thoughts: The sample size is small, but Long could have trouble holding off Alexander for defensive snaps, given the latter’s debut performance and familiarity with the coaching scheme.

If nothing else, Long’s size should keep him in the mix as a red-zone option.



Edge Michell Agude

Nine defensive snaps


Agude entered the game on the first play of the second series and immediately had a run stop, shedding the offensive tackle and dragging down Jacobs after a gain of 5 yards. He stayed on the field for the next play, rushing the passer and smartly reaching in an effort to bat down Love’s quick throw.

But Agude's day was marred on his fourth and final snap of the first half, when he failed to shed and stop Jacobs on a right-side run, resulting in a 19-yard gain for the back.


Agude played five more snaps in the second half. He was one of multiple defenders to break through with late pressure on the failed flea flicker, set a pair of quality edges, and had a nice rush, utilizing a long arm and a chop, but didn’t have enough time to affect the quarterback before the throw.


He was also on the field for Green Bay’s final defensive snap, but didn’t have an impact on the result.



Safety/Linebacker Jamal Adams

Eight defensive snaps

The majority of Adams’ work came in the first half. Primarily lining up as an overhang defender along the line of scrimmage, he was released as a missile into the backfield. He showed good burst in his first appearance, but rarely impacted the result of the play. In the second quarter, he had a near miss when his diving effort came up short of dropping the back for no gain.



The Lions only asked Adams to play coverage on one snap and he was beaten on a shake route by Wicks for a 12-yard gain in the red zone.


Concluding thoughts: If there was rust, it didn’t show. While Adams didn’t come through with a big play against the Packers, there’s reason to believe he’ll occasionally get home as a blitzer off the edge down the stretch.



Email: jrogers@detroitfootball.net

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[ghandi]

Apparently, going for it in that situation was actually a roughly 3% decrease in their odds of winning, which is a fairly large swing for a single play.

Now, what I'd say, and what I say with all analytics, is that they are wonderful guidelines. They shouldn't be taken as infallible gospel, simply because analytics tend to be terrible at taking circumstances at the moment into account. I'd say, given the situation that the Lions were in, with the defense in the state it was in, the Packers having already scored 24 points in the half, but only having about 40 seconds and no timeouts... that the decision to go for it was close enough to a 50/50 proposition that you can make a sound, reasonable case for any call made there.

At that point, there are no "good" or "bad" decisions; just good or bad results.

I agree with everything you are saying here Chemi....If we have seen nothing else here it is that Dan Campbell has extreme confidence in the offense to win the game, much more so than the defense.....I think the analytics tend to have Team A and Team B but dont consider much else....There are way too many factors that should go into these things....The Lions defense was done for the day...Campbell knew at minimum that GB would kick a FG and force OT, then you have to have the fate of a coin flip most likely decide the outcome...I dont think he is comfortable with that....Besides it was fourth and maybe a full yard, maybe less....I could see if it was 4th and 10...Then I think he would have kicked the FG.

[SnowMeiser]

I think the offense would have an advantage here in that the packer defense may have been on their heels thinking that the Lions were lining up to draw them offsides to get that first down rather than actually running a play.

I liked the call.

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Detroit Lions DL Pat O'Connor makes a prime-time leap he never thought he'd take

Paywall article.

Shawn Windsor
Detroit Free Press



Most of us go a lifetime without running out of a tunnel in an NFL stadium as the public address announcer belts out your name. Pat O’Connor only had to wait seven years.


Not that he was waiting. How do you wait for a pipe dream?

O’Connor just figured it was never going to happen. This makes sense. Bounce around the fringes of the best football league in the world and yeah, the prime-time lights don’t often beckon.

Yet there was O’Connor Thursday night, sprinting onto the Ford Field turf before a prime-time "Thursday Night Football" audience, following the path that’s generally reserved for the Aidan Hutchinsons of the world.



In fact, O’Connor used to watch Hutchinson dance his way out onto the field during introductions and marvel. Never did he think he’d get the chance to do the same one day. Not at 31 years old. Not someone who’d been cut from the 53-man roster almost every season he’d been in the league.

Talk about a long shot.

A primary defense end, after all this?

O’Connor didn’t see it coming. Nor did head coach Dan Campbell or general manager Brad Holmes.


But then nothing in this Detroit Lions season makes much sense these days. Even the slappiest of diehards have gotta admit that 12-1 feels a bit surreal.

Imagine then, what it must feel like for a player like O’Connor? Who had never started a game in his pro career? And then played 82% of the Lions' defensive snaps Thursday against the Green Bay Packers — third-most on the roster.


“I never thought I was going to do that,” he said after Thursday night's pregame introduction to the roaring crowd in downtown Detroit, “especially with how far I am into my career.”

In a season of surprises, few top the guy who gets drafted, cut, signed, cut, released — again and again — and then winds up with the team that drafted him, center-stage in one of the biggest regular-season games of the year.

When a team is struggling, the coach and the quarterback are always a story. And when a team is winning, everyone becomes a possible story, because everything gets magnified, especially when a team wins 11 games in a row, and especially when those wins break a franchise record that dated to before most of its fans — shoot, most of its fans' parents — were born.


Still, the backup to the backup to the backup to the backup to the backup defensive end? Who wasn’t even on the 53-man roster when the season started?

Yeah, this is how it goes. Make the right kind of history, and lose some 18 players to injury while doing it, and someone whose name few knew before the season began is getting cheered by 65,000 people.

Somebody’s got to step up somewhere, right? And those that do have to come from somewhere.




O’Connor comes from the Chicago area by way of Eastern Michigan University. Which is to say, the Lions' newest defensive end played college football just down the road from Allen Park.

In fact, he was drafted by the Detroit Lions in 2017's seventh round, at No. 250 — three spots before the annual "Mr. Irrelevant" in the draft's final pick.


He didn’t make the team.

Three weeks after Detroit cut him, Tampa Bay signed him to its practice squad. He got called up late in the year and played a few snaps in a handful of games. The Bucs waived him at the beginning of the next season. Then signed him to the practice squad.

The next year — 2019 — they did the same thing, before calling him back toward the end of the year and giving him a few snaps, mostly on special teams.


On and on it went for O'Connor: a call-up followed by a return to the practice squad. Finally, in 2020, he stuck and played in all four of the Bucs' playoff games as they won a Super Bowl.

O’Connor was a specialist and special teamer, and the next season he thought he’d finally found a reliable home — and then he got hurt. Early in 2022, Tampa Bay released him again.

A couple months later, they re-signed him. Then sent him to the practice squad ... again.



This is how it is for fringe NFL players, and for those with long dreams and short memories. O’Connor, who had 20 sacks over 48 games with EMU, wasn’t going to give up.

And so, he kept coming back, despite not having a defined role when he did, despite knowing he would almost certainly never start, despite knowing he could get hurt again and that would be it anyway.


Then Hutchinson went down. And Marcus Davenport went down. And Derrick Barnes went down. And Josh Paschal, and Levi Onwuzurike, and on it went. (Not to mention John Cominsky going down before the season even started.)

So, yeah, there was O’Connor on Thursday, chasing Packers QB Jordan Love out of the pocket. And there was O’Connor, hustling after running back Josh Jacobs, and there he was, waving his arms upward, trying his best to juice the crowd as he and the Lions' makeshift defense tried to hold the Packers down.

“It doesn’t take much to show emotion,” he said. “And I just always think that’s awesome whenever you do that and you just hear the crowd, and then you see everyone else around you start doing it, and it just kind of gets everyone’s juice going before the play even starts. So just little things like that kind of help you get you mentally prepared to snap into the play.”


Help you get mentally prepared to play?

Think about what O’Connor is saying here and think about the places he’s had to find in his mind to stay with this life season after season, and to be ready at the moment, not knowing when the opportunity might come, not knowing if it would ever come.

And somehow not worrying about any of that.

Next man up?

Try next 10 men up, and then some. Not that O’Connor is complaining. He is giddy, and grateful, and was still pinching himself after hearing his name called and then getting the chance to help the Lions win. And he did. And can you blame him?


Kerby Joseph sure can’t.


He remembers his first stadium introduction well, and won’t ever forget it, as much as he can take it for granted now.

“I’m just super happy for (Pat),” said Joseph. “That is special. I remember seeing all the lights, all the people, the smoke, the stands ... and for him to have that moment?”


Joseph cut a wide smile. Just as O’Connor had been smiling earlier from the postgame podium in his first time there, a place normally reserved for Dan Campbell, Jared Goff and the key player on defense.

O’Connor may not have been the key player, but he was a key player, like so many others, several of whom had just joined the team days before. The Lions asked him to take to the podium because of his backstory, and because of what he represents.


As he said:

“Knowing what we can do with the people we had (Thursday) and just overcome (with) a win like that is insane. That’s hats off to us because next man up, and it’s a great feeling.”


Contact Shawn Windsor: swindsor@freepress.com. Follow him@shawnwindsor.

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Green Bay complaining about officiating.

Here's a Detroit Lions rebuttal:

https://x.com/HonoluluBlues_/status/1865412254666993695