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  • #76
    Three and Out: Aaron Glenn vs. attrition and viewing dreaded replay through fresh eyes

    Justin Rogers
    Nov 29



    Here are three observations after a second viewing and a night to ponder the Detroit Lions’ 23-20 win over the Chicago Bears.


    Glenn vs. attrition

    OK, the injury situation on defense is getting ridiculous. Let’s recap, just to have it all in front of us.

    On injured reserve: Aidan Hutchinson, Marcus Davenport, Derrick Barnes, Alex Anzalone, Kyle Peko, John Cominsky, Ifeatu Melifonwu, Jalen Reeves-Maybin and Ennis Rakestraw


    Ruled out this week: Carlton Davis III

    Injured in pre-game warmups: Emmanuel Moseley

    Lost to injury during the game: Josh Paschal, Levi Onwuzurike, Malcolm Rodriguez


    That’s up to six projected starters, plus several key reserves. It's left the Lions to dig deep for replacements. Against the Bears on Sunday, the team’s No. 4 and No. 5 cornerbacks entering the year, Kindle Vildor and Khalil Dorsey, rotated at one of the starting spots. Linebackers Ezekiel Turner and David Long, who weren’t on the roster a month ago, combined for 34 snaps, just shy of the 31 played by Trevor Nowaske, who hadn't logged a single rep as an undrafted rookie last year. And up front, another mid-season addition, Al-Quadin Muhammad, played 43.

    Like we said, it’s all kind of ridiculous. And before anyone starts in on a cliched rant about Detroit’s training staff needing to be investigated by the F.B.I., consider the randomness of most of those injuries. No training staff is responsible for Hutchinson’s leg snapping, Anzalone’s arm getting crushed, Barnes taking a helmet directly to his knee, Davenport’s elbow getting chopped or Davis’ cleat getting stuck in the turf. The strained joints/muscles on that list are normal by professional football standards, the Lions have just had some bad luck.


    Yet through it all, Detroit has remained one of the top defenses in the NFL. That might be the most ridiculous aspect of this ridiculous situation.

    The patchwork crew continued to exceed all reasonable expectations through the first half on Thursday. After keeping the previous three opponents out of the end zone for 10 consecutive quarters, the Lions extended that streak to 12, preventing the Bears from putting a dent in the scoreboard by the half. Not only that, the Lions didn’t surrender a single first down until the final minute of the second quarter.


    Whether it was attrition, execution, or a combination of the two, the team had a post-Shaboozey hangover down the stretch. Yes, there were some blown coverages, missed tackles and flags that allowed the Bears to climb back into the game before they aided in their own demise with penalties, missed blocks and egregious clock management.

    It admittedly wasn’t the highest note for the Lions to end the win, but taken in totality, it was the fifth time in six games they’ve held the opposition to 20 or fewer points. So even though five games remain on the schedule, providing plenty of time for the conversation to shift given the emphasis on how teams finish vs. how they start, Lions defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn has earned frontrunner status for the AP NFL Assistant Coach of the Year award, which was introduced in 2024.


    Among the previous 10 winners of the honor are current head coaches Kyle Shanahan, Todd Bowles, DeMeco Ryans, Dan Quinn and Brian Daboll. All but current Chargers offensive coordinator Greg Roman have been a head coach in the NFL at some point in their careers.

    Glenn isn’t without stiff competition. Defensively, Jesse Minter of the Chargers has translated his success at the University of Michigan into the league’s top scoring defense in his first season back in the NFL.


    Under Brian Flores, the Vikings have the league’s top rushing defense and rank top five in scoring, sacks and turnovers.

    And Denver’s Vance Joseph, long considered one of the league’s better defensive minds, has his unit second in scoring, third in points, first in sacks and fourth in rushing efficiency.


    On the offensive side, Baltimore’s Todd Monken has orchestrated a historically productive rushing attack and has quarterback Lamar Jackson pushing for a third NFL MVP with the best passing statistics of his career, far and away.

    And there’s always Glenn's colleague Ben Johnson, the runner-up for the award last year. He has leveraged continuity to new heights with Detroit’s offense, which leads the league in scoring behind one of the most versatile power/finesse combinations the league has ever seen.


    But as we head into December, it’s Glenn’s award to lose. Detroit’s defensive statistics stack up against any of the other contenders, but they haven’t had to overcome the caliber of losses he has in 2024.

    Whether he can maintain pole position to the finish line won’t be easy. The Packers are coming to town humming after dismantling the 49ers and Dolphins the past two weeks. After that, it’s the league’s No. 3 scoring offense, Buffalo. Plus there’s a trip to San Francisco on the docket, and no matter how down they’ve been this year due to their own injury woes, Shanahan’s group is always potent.


    Regardless of how it finishes, Glenn won’t make or accept excuses. It’s not in his DNA and not a component of the organization’s standards. It’s next man up, even if we’re on the next man after the next man after the next man, in some cases.

    Still, even if he won’t accept excuses, he should accept the flowers for the job he’s done, but we'd understand if he won't sign for the delivery until after the season is over.



    Overreaction Monday Friday

    With the win on Thursday, the Lions snapped a seven-game losing streak on Thanksgiving, while simultaneously matching the franchise’s longest winning streak at 10.

    What a time to be a Lions fan.


    Still, sifting through comments, social media messages and emails last night, you might think Detroit lost the game. Maybe we've unearthed a subconscious correlation between tryptophan and the Same Old Lions attitude that lingers deep within the fan base.

    “They didn't deserve to win, Justin,” one emailer wrote, within seconds of Caleb Williams’ game-ending heave falling incomplete. “With Green Bay, Minnesota and Buffalo coming up, they'll be lucky to win the division.”


    Look, I’m not promising you the Lions will win the NFC North. For all the injury-related reasons highlighted above, it won’t come easily. Despite an 11-1 record, Green Bay and Minnesota are still nipping on the Lions' heels.

    But let’s put things in perspective. Many fans have seemingly gone from not knowing what it’s like to have success to not knowing how to handle it. Yes, most weeks this roster has made it look easy. They’d won six of the previous eight games by double-digits, including a handful of blowouts. But regardless of the point spread, a win is simply never guaranteed in this league. That’s doubly true against divisional opponents.


    That red-hot Bills team we mentioned earlier nearly lost to the Jets last month, the Broncos took the Chiefs to the limit a few weeks back, and the Ravens were upended by the Browns. Plus, look no further than the Bears, who went toe-to-toe with the Vikings and Packers the previous two weeks before falling short in both games just like they did Thursday.

    You can’t blow out everyone and a single-game sample size is indicative of next to nothing in professional sports.


    The Lions are one of the best red-zone teams in the NFL. On Thursday, they had an off day in that department. They entered the day the league's best third-down defenses. In the second half, they had their share of hiccups in those situations. Still, isn't a season’s worth of data more meaningful than a below-average afternoon?

    The Lions aren’t a perfect team, but what they’ve proven time and time again this season is they know how to win, and they know how to win multiple ways. They’re one of the league’s most mentally tough squads. It wouldn’t hurt for fans to get on the same wavelength.


    The bad man can’t hurt you anymore

    Speaking of mental toughness, yours is going to be tested this week. You see, the last time the Lions played a Thursday primetime game immediately after Thanksgiving, it was also against the Packers.


    I can already sense the hairs sticking up on the back of your neck and your blood boiling. With an untimed play after a questionable face mask call against the Lions, Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers dropped back and heaved a Hail Mary pass that was hauled in by tight end Richard Rogers for a 61-yard, game-winning score.

    Whether you like it or not, it's an iconic moment and one surely to be replayed multiple times this week. But for all the anger you felt in the aftermath, both at the officiating and the horrendous defensive scheme the Lions deployed on the play, none of those emotions are worth revisiting.


    Those were the days of the Lions living in the hamster wheel of mediocrity. Jim Caldwell was a good coach, one who squeezed a lot from a roster lacking depth of talent, but those teams were going nowhere.

    Up until the moonshot left Rodgers' hand, we were trying to convince ourselves the 2015 Lions could climb out of the 1-7 hole they dug themselves and make an unprecedented run to the playoffs because they'd won three in a row. But even if they had beaten the Packers and gone on to run the table, did anyone really believe they would make noise in the postseason?


    You would have been lying to yourself.

    The following year, Detroit needed an NFL record number of fourth-quarter comebacks — some exceedingly improbable — to go 9-7 and squeak into the postseason where they were predictably overwhelmed by a superior opponent.


    Those Lions needed everything to break their way to barely finish above .500. They weren’t winning divisions. They certainly weren’t Super Bowl contenders. You understandably hate it because it was Aaron Rodgers delivering the blow, but that Hail Mary was a mercy killing of an inferior team in a long line of them for this franchise.

    When you see that replay this week, you can shrug because it’s not applicable to today, or you can appreciate it for being part of the rocky road that’s brought you to these unprecedented times of prosperity.




    Email: jrogers@detroitfootball.net

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    • #77
      Originally posted by whatever_gong82 View Post


      https://x.com/wrhiv_72/status/1862244230019551471
      Worth a look just to see MC/DC’s WTF reaction at the gun. Like, “Did we just…win? How the…? OK.”

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      • #78
        Rodriguez out for year.
        3,062 carries, 15,269 yards, 5.0 yards/carry, 99 TD
        10x Pro Bowl, 6x All-Pro, 1997 MVP, 2004 NFL HoF

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Sanders Fan View Post
          Rodriguez out for year.
          Torn ACL.

          Kwon Alexander signed off Broncos practice squad. Veteran Lion David Long, Jr. will introduce him to the LB room.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Sanders Fan View Post
            Rodriguez out for year.


            We just can't have nice things.

            I hope when he comes back next year, he'll be good to go.
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            • #81
              G: 11-1
              B: Injuries
              U: Eberflus finally got his Darryl Rogers answer, so Da Bears are a wild card at Soldier Field on Dec 22nd.
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              • #82
                Unfortunate for Rodrigo…
                Lions defense will be going to the extreme of “next man up.” Credit to the coaching staff for doing their best given the situation with the established culture. When will it crash though? If at all. Talent has to matter at some point.

                I’m a little worried about the near future of the Lions defense this season. At the same time, it’s very impressive what they’re doing with so many backups and guys off the street. Such as Mohammed showing some potential.

                BIG 5 game stretch to end the regular season that will be telling. I’m not saying the defensive injuries will be like when Stafford injured his finger in 2016. It’s just something to be mindful of in a significant stretch. As mentioned before, it’s good news that several of these players will be back for the playoffs.​ Also, I would imagine the Lions are one of the unluckier teams with injury luck this season when excluding QB injuries. I guess one can argue it’s fortunate that Goff has been healthy through 12 games.
                Last edited by Cody_Russell; November 29, 2024, 01:43 PM.
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Cody_Russell
                  Unfortunate for Rodrigo…
                  Lions defense will be going to the extreme of “next man up.” Credit to the coaching staff for doing their best given the situation with the established culture. When will it crash though? If at all. Talent has to matter at some point.

                  I’m a little worried about the near future of the Lions defense this season. At the same time, it’s very impressive what they’re doing with so many backups and guys off the street. Such as Mohammed showing some potential.

                  BIG 5 game stretch to end the regular season that will be telling. I’m not saying the defensive injuries will be like when Stafford injured his thumb in 2016. It’s just something to be mindful of in a significant stretch. As mentioned before, it’s good news that several of these players will be back for the playoffs.
                  The injuries are significant. My once high expectations for this team have soured. Next week could be ugly if the offense doesn't show. If they do we'll be fine. We've seen the offense can go into funks in games. They have very little room for error now. If the offense is sputtering they're in trouble.
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                  • #84
                    Haven’t heard a whisper about Moseley’s late scratch. Any word about him or CD3 being available for the Packers game?
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                    • #85
                      Just listened to MC/DC’s presser.

                      Only guy he mentions by name in his opening remarks: Jack Fox.

                      First question is about the impact of Za’Darius Smith. Campbell heartily acknowledges the contribution, but redirects over to D.J. Reader. And you can hear in Coach’s voice how much he appreciates what Reader has quietly done.

                      It’s hard to see what isn’t there, but we’re not seeing the gut-punch, unstoppable gashes up the middle any more.
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Meano.Culpa View Post
                        Haven’t heard a whisper about Moseley’s late scratch. Any word about him or CD3 being available for the Packers game?
                        Moseley’s tweaked a hammy in warmups. Sounded like he was held out as a precaution but who knows with hamstrings.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by chemiclord View Post

                          That's what I'm telling myself. The Lions hit a similar wall at right about this same time last year, and were back in form within a few weeks. Gotta tell myself that's all this is.
                          I'm just going to tell myself there was no way to beat these Bears other than some kind of bizarre football gods inexplicable shit like we've been seeing since their bye week. We beat them in the same way they've been losing, so it's fine. When the SOL's lost in inexplicable fashion to a Super Bowl contender, we didn't sit around and say, "They're not contenders because they didn't blow us out." Da Bears are the SOL's now, same rules apply, just a refreshing role reversal.
                          "Yeah, we just... we don't want them to go. So that's our motivation."
                          Dan Campbell at Green Bay, January 8, 2023.​

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                          • #88
                            Final Drive: Lions QB Jared Goff checks off ‘bucket list’ item in win over Bears

                            Paywall article.

                            Nolan Bianchi
                            The Detroit News




                            Detroit — Few professional athletes can say they’ve experienced the love that quarterback Jared Goff has received from Lions fans over the last 12 months.

                            But even with Detroit’s run of historic success, he was still missing the chance to cross off one of the top items on his bucket list. He did so Thursday, enjoying a post-Thanksgiving game meal with teammates Amon-Ra St. Brown, David Montgomery, Jahmyr Gibbs, DJ Reader and Al-Quadin Muhammad.


                            When the Chicago Bears’ confusing end-zone shot with six seconds left in Detroit's 23-20 win fell incomplete, you could feel the relief sweep across Ford Field. You can bet nobody felt it more than Goff, who’s achieved so much in Honolulu Blue but had yet to achieve an all-important Turkey Day win.


                            “It’s the best,” Goff said of sharing the meal with teammates on CBS’s postgame show — one of many Thanksgiving traditions.

                            “In your NFL career you have these bucket list items — you know, holding the Lombardi (trophy) is obviously number one, but the whole eating the turkey after Thanksgiving win is up there too and that’s something I’ll never forget. It was actually pretty good, the stuffing was good, we were having a good time. It’s awesome. It’s a memory I’ll have forever.”



                            For seven straight years, the visitors owned the day. On three occasions over that span, it was the Bears digging into the turkey leg. Mitch Trubisky, Kirk Cousins, and Jordan Love have all experienced the bucket list item that Goff was seeking.

                            On Thursday, Goff had another marquee moment in the spotlight.


                            By his standards, Goff’s performance was nothing extraordinary. He was 21-for-34 passing for 221 yards and a pair of touchdowns with no interceptions. But given how the game ended, with Chicago having a chance to steal yet another victory from Detroit in the final seconds, you could hear a sense of respite in his postgame press conference.


                            “Now we can start our new streak of winning,” Goff said. “Certainly that game came down to the wire there and was — you’re kind of worried about which way it was going to go. But to get the ‘W’ in the way we did, and to end that skid that we’ve been on and kind of put that to rest, it’s another check off our list that we’ve been working on for the last handful of years. It feels good.”

                            Dating back to the start of 2023 — when the team’s expectations really kicked in — Goff and his Lions teammates have been inundated with questions from the media (present company included) about how they’re going to buck historically long droughts: NFC North titles, playoff victories, Super Bowl appearances and the like.


                            Admittedly, one can see how it’d be a draining experience. The questions were fair but, at the same time, could only really be answered on the field.

                            Like he has against so many NFL defenses and badgering media members over the last handful of years, Goff found the answers Thursday.



                            ▶ Maybe this would all be less worrisome if the Lions were in another division.

                            In the NFC West or NFC South, you could bide your time, focus on January.


                            But in the best division in football, the Lions' work has only just begun. The Green Bay Packers (9-3) embarrassed the Miami Dolphins in Thursday's Thanksgiving finale, and despite a national sentiment that Minnesota quarterback Sam Darnold has come back to earth, the Vikings (9-2) still have just one loss outside of their defeat against Detroit.


                            Nobody said it would be easy, but for a team that's 11-1 — Detroit's best start in franchise history — nobody thought it’d be this hard. Both sides of the ball are setting records for excellence. The only thing that can possibly slow this team down is attrition — and the Lions may have more of that than any other team in the league.

                            The Lions lost Malcolm Rodriguez (knee) for the season in Thursday's game against the Bears and are still waiting to learn the severity of injuries to defensive linemen Josh Paschal (knee) and Levi Onwuzurike (hamstring). Three of the threads holding this Lions defense together have just popped, and one can only wonder just how much more they can take.


                            Detroit's five remaining games feature three NFC North opponents (Green Bay and Minnesota at home), Buffalo, and a San Francisco 49ers team that figures to have all the urgency in the world in Week 17. Nothing about the path that lies ahead is going to be easy.

                            With the Philadelphia Eagles hot on their tail for the No. 1 seed, the Lions could really use some of those teams to start taking losses, starting this weekend when Philadelphia (9-2) travels to Baltimore (8-4) and Minnesota takes plays host to Arizona (6-5).


                            ▶ Gibbs was on his way to a memorable Thanksgiving performance when he found himself streaking toward the end zone with the chance to give Detroit a three-score lead before halftime.

                            But in an unusual turn of events, Gibbs was popped by a Bears defender and lost his first fumble of the season. Chicago took over at its own 6-yard line, picked up a first down, and rode that offensive momentum to a second-half comeback attempt that fell just short.


                            Over the course of those final 30 minutes, Gibbs — who had five rushes for 52 yards on Detroit's first touchdown drive — recorded just two more carries. Montgomery, meanwhile, had eight second-half carries for 30 yards.

                            It's not uncommon for a player to have his touches reduced after such a game-altering fumble. But even if that was at play here (I'm not convinced it was), the Lions' decision to go away from their most explosive playmaker was curious, especially for a team that was trying to drain clock for the entire second half.


                            nbianchi@detroitnews.com

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                            • #89
                              "I hope to see the Lions in the Super Bowl before I die"
                              My friend Ken L

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                              • #90
                                Stop saying the Lions "D" rose to the occasion. Chicago started at the 1. The fucking 1 yard line. Their 1 yard line and drove within FG range with a goodb chance to tie for OT or an outright win. The "D" SUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!! Especially VILDOR
                                GO LIONS "24" !!

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