Jared Goff’s next contract

[Mainevent]

Goff's INTs went up, TDs went down and the team wasn't winning at the rate expected. Fair or not, he took the blame for that and McVay's treatment of him didn't help and that's shaped the narrative. That combined with him also taking the majority of the blame for the flameout against the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

I have to admit, I thought Goff was a nice transitional QB but that he would not be a viable starter longer term. But he has really impressed and I love his attitude and demeanor.

[froot loops]

McVay did everything wrong with a young quarterback, he was more than willing to let everyone blame Goff. There were rumblings he was trying that shit with Stafford last year. Developing a quarterback is tough.

[chemiclord]

"They're blaming me for everything wrong with the franchise? Whatever. I've been through that before." - Matt Stafford.

[Blue Lagoon58]

that’s what I’m trying to get at. There seems to be a pretty wide gap between his reputation with the Rams and his actual production. I’ve seen Jets QBs get more respect. I’m just curious why that is

No, you got at it. You're 100% correct. McVay handled the situation like shit, but the faulty remembering of history amongst lion fans is something. Always looking for that chip

[froot loops]

The thing about the NFL is it is a league of group think, probably much more than the other sports. The league is covered for 12 months and the regular season lasts 4 months. So to fill all that coverage, there is a lot of talk that turns into an echo chamber. Once that reputation gets out there, it's hard to shake. QB is a tough position, you can't download reading defenses like you are in the matrix, you learn by making mistakes and learning from them. Eventually you have seen everything and it gets very hard to fool veteran quarterbacks. The trick is getting to that level.

[Iron Lion]

I'm starting to think that Stafford is midtier or even below average in the category of presnap reads. He has the arm to make throws that guys like Brady never could, and he was able to read the field and hit the open guy. But I'm really wondering if he took more sacks than he should've and if the running game could've been simply below average as opposed to the atrocious he always had.

[jaadam4]

I'm starting to think that Stafford is midtier or even below average in the category of presnap reads. He has the arm to make throws that guys like Brady never could, and he was able to read the field and hit the open guy. But I'm really wondering if he took more sacks than he should've and if the running game could've been simply below average as opposed to the atrocious he always had.

That’s pretty much what the rumor was for awhile when Lombardi was putting a complex offense together for the Lions. Only when Jim Bob Asshole simplified things did Stafford get comfortable. Not sure if it true or not but dude never had a run game to bail
him out

[froot loops]

That was Lombardi's fault. The dude sucked and has sucked everywhere he went. It was ridiculous.

[jaadam4]

That was Lombardi's fault. The dude sucked and has sucked everywhere he went. It was ridiculous.

Yes definitely which sucks because I was pretty excited about the offense he was going to bring in. He wasn’t a retread coach. The Lions we’re going to dial it up for Stafford.

Huge f’ing nose dive

[mason reese]

Wasn’t there an OC that didn’t like pre-snap motion? Thought it tired out the WRs.

[jaadam4]

Wasn’t there an OC that didn’t like pre-snap motion? Thought it tired out the WRs.

Not sure about OC but I remember Lombardi not being a fan of Stafford for making checks at the line. I don’t think he believed in Stafford for reading defenses

[Blue Lagoon58]

Oh, well if Lombardi thought that....

[El Axe]

I thought this was an interesting graph

Basically, I read it as: the Lions receivers are below average in generating open looks, but Jared is elite (best in the league) in making sure to throw to them when they are.

This graph kinda sums up my feelings on why Goff tends to be very under-rated by national writers. It's hard to recognize someone who just consistently makes the correct decision on who to throw to, but that's what you want out of your QB. Because that consistency looks like something that any QB can do. It's easier to swoon at a QB who doesn't recognize the open receiver and instead scrambles around a bunch and throws it on the run to mixed results. But when those results are good, the QB looks like a wizard doing something that very few people can do.

[JGSpartan]

Because Goff does play like a game manager but it's not all he is limited to be from an arm talent standpoint. He can and does turn it up to take more chances when the game situation calls for it.

He wasn't doing that in LA he was taking too many chances when he didn't need to. But McVay scapegoated him for it rather than supporting him and helping him fix it. Their whole calling the plays and reads in that the Patriots exploited was helpful to them in the short term but a major disservice to Goff's growth. McVay then pulled the plug for a vet rather than teaching him.

Goff still isn't fully where he needs to be but under Campbell he's significantly further ahead of where he was. I believe he leads the league in throwaways. That's actually a good stat on his end. Teamwise you wish he didn't have to as much but they are significantly better than throwing interceptions and taking sacks. Gaining more receiver talent and separation will aid that.

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This poor little thread has gotten lonely lately. Here's some new life.


Jared Goff is one of the NFL's best deep ball passers in 2023

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Boy that Jared Goff scrutiny from Detroit Lions fans never stops does it? I get it. The Lions are at a point with Goff where they're more than likely about to spend a ton of money on him and I get that fans want to see the Car Fax report on him before their team signs the check over and gets the title. Is Goff a car? If he was, I think he'd be nice and reliable Honda Civic. I digress.

I've been asked two different things lately. They're both related to the deep ball. The first one is whether or not he's throwing it. There are still people out there that think he can't and that he isn't. The second question is if he's secretly injured and that's why he's not throwing deep as of late. We're going to look into both of those things today. Let's jump into it.

Is he throwing the deep ball? The answer is yes. But it also depends on what you consider the deep ball to be. If you think a 40 or 50-yard bomb is the definition of deep passing, then you're going to be sad because the number is low on both of those. But it's low for every quarterback because nobody is throwing the ball like that a lot.

20 plus yards is really the going rate for a deep ball in the NFL. That is considered an explosive play. It's also important to note that the ball has to travel 20 or more yards before it gets to the receiver. We're not talking about yards after catch here. So is Goff doing that? The answer is yes.

He's not doing it the most though and that's pretty normal. It's mostly because he doesn't have to. The Lions are a run first team and then they rely a lot on play action passing. Goff's 89 play action passing attempts is the fourth most in the NFL. So don't expect Dan Marino level stats out here. They also tend to be in the lead, so they don't have to throw deep to make up for time and things of nature.

Goff has thrown 35 passes of 20 or more yards this season per FTN. That's tied for 15th in the NFL. Sam Howell has the most attempts with 61 if you're curious. How many of those 35 attempts has Goff competed? The answer is 18. That's the eight most completed passes of 20 or more air yards.

Despite previous thoughts on Goff's throwing ability, he's actually one of the most accurate deep ball passers in the NFL right now. Goff has a deep ball completion percentage of 51.4%. That's sixth in the NFL among quarterbacks with 10 or more attempts. Brock Purdy has the best completion percentage with 55.3%.

While only 51.4% of the passes are connecting, the accuracy is there for sure. FTN deemed 85.3% of Goff's passes with 20 or more air yards to be accurately thrown. That's the eighth best mark in the NFL among quarterbacks that have 10 or more attempts. Geno Smith is first with 97.6%. No shocker there. He was the NFL's most accurate deep passer last season too.

In total Goff has thrown for 554 yards, five touchdowns and two interceptions on deep balls. That's third in yards, fifth in touchdowns and tied with a ton of guys at fifth in interceptions.

Ok, so that's answered. Let's get to the conspiracy theory. Is Jared Goff secretly injured and that's why he's not throwing deep right now? The answer is a no, Goff is not currently playing hurt and he's still throwing deep. This coaching staff has demonstrated a much larger restraint against playing players while they're hurt than the previous staff did. That's not to say it never happens, but more often than not, the Lions have shown to be pretty precautious with their players these days.

Goff has still been throwing the ball the same way he was earlier in the year. He did check down a lot more than usual in the previous two weeks before the Saints game, but that's because he was under a lot more pressure than he's usually been under. The Lions offensive line struggled in both of those games. Substantially more than any other point in the year outside of the Ravens game.

If it makes you feel better, he did not check down once on Sunday and per FTN, he had didn't throw any interception worthy passes for the fourth time this season. That doesn't mean he throws a lot. He averages less than one interception worthy pass a game.

The deep ball was there for Goff on Sunday. He competed a 48 yard pass to Sam LaPorta in that game. That ball traveled 33.8 air yards before it got to LaPorta.