MSU thread (in the Lions Forum)

[froot loops]

You just can't do what is reported he did, even if it was as he claims consensual.

[Lionsfan123]

Can’t say I’m shocked. I’m embarrassed to be a fan of Spartan football right now. Huge distraction to the young players.

[jaadam4]

You just can't do what is reported he did, even if it was as he claims consensual.

It’s pretty shitty life / career choices but if it’s consenting adults I don’t see any issue. The problem is that guilt or innocence won’t ever truly be able to be given and in the court of public opinion he’s toast. He probably won’t have another job any time soon but he’s got millions of fully guaranteed money.

They’ll try to get out of paying him but end up buying him out because of proof.

That’s not why I came in here though. Sounds like Dantonio will be on the sidelines in some capacity. What do you guys think of that? Will he give it another go?

[JGSpartan]

I kinda get the sense that neither one is telling the full truth but also get the sense that her version of events it's probably closer to reality than his.

Either way on his part it's idiotic. I certainly wasn't making the point about his contract situation to defend him. Just in case it came off that way. I just think that's why he's suspended rather than fired.

[JGSpartan]

I have no idea on Dantonio. I think the role they gave him was something like special assistant. If I had to guess though I'd say it's temporary to have someone with head coach experience at the university help keep things from falling apart.

My bad, the role is associate Head Coach.

[jaadam4]

And he'll be wearing the headset. If they play well he could be back. I wouldn't mind it as he and Harbaugh made me laugh over the years. They don't like each other, not even a bit.

[jaadam4]

I’m sorry but I have to agree with Tucker on a lot of his points here. I think he’s being railroaded



from a CBS article


Michigan State coach Mel Tucker responded on Monday to the sexual harassment allegations that led to his suspension. In the almost-two-page document released by attorney Jennifer Z. Belveal, Tucker claims that his encounters with Brenda Tracy -- a prominent activist against sexual violence -- were "mutual" and "private."

"Brenda Tracy's allegations of harassment are completely false," Tucker said. "The proceedings initiated by Ms. Tracy are devoid of any semblance of fairness for any matter of this importance, and the University's 'hearing' scheduled for October 5-6 is so flawed that there is no other opportunity for the truth to come out. That is why I share some truth with you now."

According to Tucker, he developed a friendship with Tracy in summer 2021 when she gave a presentation at Michigan State. Tucker claims that the friendship "grew into an intimate, adult relationship," while revealing that he and his wife were estranged at the time.

Tucker and Tracy engaged in "dozens of calls" from fall 2021 to winter 2022, many of which Tucker claims were initiated by Tracy late at night. Tucker claims Tracy "encouraged our personal relationship" by "inviting and accepting gifts from me." The gifts allegedly included shoes, Venmo payments and a contribution to Tracy's non-profit organization Set The Expectation.


Tucker also addressed a particular phone call in April 2022. Tracy, in her official complaint, claimed that Tucker made sexual comments about her and masturbated for several minutes during the call. Tucker admits to the conversation, claiming that it was "an entirely mutual, private event" and that Tracy initiated the discussion by sending Tucker a provocative picture of the two together. Tracy also suggested what she would look like without clothes and, according to Tucker, never objected during the 36-minute phone call.

Tucker said that it took Tracy four months to complain about the phone call with the complaint being field only after he confronted her about "spreading rumors about my marriage." Tucker also denied the fact that he ever canceled any presentations involving Tracy.

"The investigation has not been fair or unbiased," Tucker's statement reads. "I can only conclude that there is an ulterior motive designed to terminate my contract based on some other factor such as a desire to avoid any (Larry) Nasser taint, or my race or gender."

Tucker's statement also takes aim at the Title IX hearing scheduled to begin on Oct. 5. He alleges that neither Tracy nor her witnesses will be required to testify under oath, that he cannot present any evidence of innocence and there will be no opening statement or closing remarks nor or any other opportunity to argue his case.

Michigan State explains investigation


Also on Monday in wake of the suspension, Michigan State University interim president Teresa Woodruff sent an email to the MSU community in which she explained the investigation process, including the decision to suspend Tucker without pay.

"In all cases, claimants and respondents are provided with a deliberative process to ensure facts of the matter can be clearly understood," Woodruff said. "As there have been new developments before the hearing, including details of acknowledged behavior, Athletic Director (Alan) Haller suspended Mel Tucker without pay. While this action was not taken lightly, it was necessary, appropriate and in support of the affected individuals and of the interests of our community."

[jaadam4]

I know most of the MSU fans have probably fallen out of love with Mel as the team isn’t performing well but a lot of this just doesn’t add up.

[chemiclord]

I know most of the MSU fans have probably fallen out of love with Mel as the team isn’t performing well but a lot of this just doesn’t add up.

In a way, it kinda doesn't really matter how it adds up. Even if you take Tucker's side of the story as the unquestioned truth, I don't know how you can possibly allow him to continue coaching. The sheer amount of poor decision making even in his own account are all grounds for termination for cause.

[wcfwtf]

Anytme you get involved with a work related relationship it could backfire at any given notice.
Me personally I would always have that inner voice telling me this ain’t gonna end well.

[jaadam4]

She’s not an employee of the university is she? I don’t discount that he’s dumb for going down that path but a lot of this doesn’t add up.

He’s jerking off on the phone and you’re mortified? Hang up bro.

And why wait 4-5 months down the line to report him.

[wcfwtf]

Still a work related relationship.

[Da Geezer]

Tucker's statement also takes aim at the Title IX hearing scheduled to begin on Oct. 5. He alleges that neither Tracy nor her witnesses will be required to testify under oath, that he cannot present any evidence of innocence and there will be no opening statement or closing remarks nor or any other opportunity to argue his case.

Welcome to the world of "equal Justice" for men and women.

I agree with your take, Jaadam. Particularly after hearing the following podcast. She and Tucker had 27 other calls that lasted around 30 minutes. Brain-dead stupid by Tucker.

https://youtu.be/M4ne8czNI1w?si=FxJYN5NdcQ1IIeHY

[jaadam4]

Still a work related relationship.

To me it’s not fair that he can’t present any evidence or make statements. Tucker didn’t just drunk dial her out of the blue, she had been calling him.

Yea he’s a complete idiot for putting 90 mil on the line or whatever it is but I don’t see what about any of it is a fireable offense.

They’re adults talking on the phone. He didn’t rape her ear. You don’t like the convo then just hang up. He didn’t do anything illegal.

[jaadam4]

Welcome to the world of "equal Justice" for men and women.

I agree with your take, Jaadam. Particularly after hearing the following podcast. She and Tucker had 27 other calls that lasted around 30 minutes. Brain-dead stupid by Tucker.

https://youtu.be/M4ne8czNI1w?si=FxJYN5NdcQ1IIeHY

Matt Walsh is right there. There’s not really any good
guys in this story. It’s just funny to me that this woman and Tucker spent almost 14 hours on the phone together spanning 27 calls late at night.

That’s straight up ludicrous.

Tucker is a complete moron for giving them cause to fire him losing 80 million dollars.

She’s an absolute moron for not hanging up and oh by the way, she wished him a happy Father’s Day later in a separate text. She’s an attention whore

The university is dumb for even giving him that contract and using this to get out of it.