Fire Dan Campbell!

[froot loops]

They have to show something in these last 12 games. Some of the inherited cap space was of their doing to get Goff. I am generally positive on Goff and I liked the trade, but they have some responsibility for some of the cap issues. Let's reiterate that they weren't cap strapped this off season, they had some money and mostly they chose to bring back their own players.

[froot loops]

I think this is reasonable. One more offseason and if the team is at or near the same state at this time next year, get out the fucking broom

If they finish with 3 wins and we see some clownish shit we have seen, get out the brooms.

[JGSpartan]

Fun fact, Every player except for Sewell who has started on the solid offensive line this year was a Bob Quinn addition.

[wcfwtf]

Unless they get significantly better on defense even 3 wins is a stretch
even the Jags now seem a much more competitive team then when the start of season.

[Futureshock]

BOOM!

[Futureshock]

How Dan Campbell plans on fixing Lions’ lackluster pass rush

By Jeremy Reisman

On Sunday against the New England Patriots, the Detroit Lions generated a total of two pressures, according to PFF, the lowest figure of any team last week. The average amount of pressures by a team in Week 5 was 16.6.

Detroit ranks 27th in PFF’s pass rush grade and 31st in ESPN’s pass rush win rate. On their current three-game skid, the Lions have managed a total of one sack.

So Campbell is spending the bye week formulating ideas to fix one of Detroit’s biggest problems right now. It starts with figuring out what they’ve done best thus far.

“There’s a number of ways you do it you either pressure, pressure, right,” Campbell said. “So, you’re bringing five or six-man pressure. You either just stunt or you let them just fan it out and let them go. Go win a one-on-one or you guys that have it, straight rush. And so, we kind of tinkered with everything, but we’ve got to hammer down on some things that we think we can help them with.”

In other words, "What do you want me to say. I don't know man. We've tried everything. I guess we'll try it all again. IDK."

That said, Campbell is also hopeful that getting some of his key players along the defensive front back from injury will help. John Cominsky produced a team-leading 10 pressures through the first two games before suffering a wrist injury that has caused him to miss the last three contests.

[Mainevent]

If they finish with 3 wins and we see some clownish shit we have seen, get out the brooms.

This. As long as there is progress and signs of improvement, then another year is ok. That means they show fixes for the defense and improved decision making from the coaching. Again, 5-7 wins is where I thought the talent was for this year (I bet the under at 6.5) and that the defense was going to be pretty bad. The Vikings game was more of what I was expecting, some games where they just don't have quite enough. But the last two games are a big red flag. That shit needs to stop. If it doesn't, then get out the brooms.

That said, I think Campbell will get a year 3 regardless. They gave him the 5 years for a reason. They'll give him a chance to fix mistakes (Aaron Glenn?). What I will be curious to see if we get to the point where DC is headed out the door, is what happens with Holmes? He didn't hire Campbell and they weren't a package deal. Would he survive if they decide to cut bait on DC?

[JGSpartan]

There's been some good defensive play in spurts. First half in Washington, Portions of the Minnesota game. They got off the field on third quite a bit in NE. Unfortunately all but one of those times was in FG range. There's no doubt that the D isn't going to reach a high quality. Good enough to get some W's though if the offense puts up 28+? Definitely possible.

[kreton]

Is he? That's my question. Because hearing the stuff he has said after the last 2 losses don't equate so. He sounds more like he's doubling down more then anything. I hope I am wrong

I meant that as he is learning as well as the players are learning. He is clearly making a bunch of ridiculous calls and mistakes. Largely it had worked a bit for him. I hope he learned a lot from the Pats game. If he continues to call it the way he is, there is no hope. But we shall see.

[kreton]

It's the same team as last year. Only 3 players have changed . IOW, SOL. At this rate of "improvement " my grandkids will be retired before the Lions become a .500 team. To that point, no need to fire anyone, the Lions will just hire more jokers and nothing will change. Should be clear by now the coaching staff and F O. are out their depth.

Just sit back and enjoy the shit show. It will never change, this is the Lions way.

if you say so. Glad you are enjoying it anyhow.

[kreton]

Yes the drafting has been fantastic. LOL.

I'd call Sewell and Ra in the same draft a hell of a good draft.
I also think Hutch and Martinez are looking like good picks. Williams and Paschal could add to that.

Joseph could be a good role player. Same with Levi and McNeil.

3-6 starters and up to 3 good role players in 2 drafts. That is damn good and bordering on excellent. Unless you believe that every pick should be a homerun all the time in which case the problem is with your expectations not the Lions drafting.


Here are some fun facts I stole from the internet. Hope it pastes well.

Position	% to multiple AP tms from picks 1 – 10	% to multiple AP tms from picks 11 – 20	% to multiple AP tms from picks 21 – 32	% to multiple AP tms from Round 2
LB	19%	8.0%	0%	1.1%
RB	18.8%	0%	0%	4.1%
DB	12.5%	10.5%	4.0%	2.1%
DT	11.8%	11.1%	0%	2.3%
WR	10.7%	0%	6.1%	2.2%
OL	9.7%	11.1%	5.4%	2.9%
DE	8%	9.1%	8.3%	0%
QB	0%	0%	8.3%	0%
TE	0%	0%	0%	2.9%
K / P	—	0%	0%	0%
TOTAL	10%	8.0%	3.8%	1.9%
MEDIAN	10.70%	8.00%	4.00%	2.20%
STAND DEV	6.82%	5.34%	3.63%	1.37%

[kreton]

That said, I think Campbell will get a year 3 regardless. They gave him the 5 years for a reason. They'll give him a chance to fix mistakes (Aaron Glenn?). What I will be curious to see if we get to the point where DC is headed out the door, is what happens with Holmes? He didn't hire Campbell and they weren't a package deal. Would he survive if they decide to cut bait on DC?

As it stands today it would be easy for Holmes to point to the rookies and his draft classes and blame the play calling. Campbell is making it easy for Holmes to make him the fall guy if needed.

[gibby]

if you say so. Glad you are enjoying it anyhow.

It's a 60 year rebuild. If you want to watch a team get better, find a new team to root for.

Me? I've embraced the failure that is the Lions. I have given up ever seeing a quality football team in Detroit. I just sit back and watch the antics.

[froot loops]

Kreton is a newbie who probably hasn't experienced all of the rebuilds and promises and continual requests for patience. They need to start winning and at least start showing something, it's all been underwhelming. And Sunday was a total clown show.

[JGSpartan]

Asking for Millenesque patience is unreasonable. Only two years though? Good luck finding any good coach to come here with such short a leash with bad rosters. I think three is a minimum unless the coach just clearly does not have player support.