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[froot loops]

In the NFL it is imperative that you are able to find and develop low tier free agents to play useful roles. There isn't enough money or draft picks to address everything. And they are failing at this.

[froot loops]

Yeah. It seems every GM has a blind spot. A position he just can't seem to get the eval right on. Holmes seems to be IDL. These guys aren't anything like they were said to be. Even McNeil. Then Meech Taylor shows some "juice" and they play him at End and then cut him. Awesome

It seems like we are getting the mirror image of Quinn, he was more pro player personnel than draft and Holmes so far has been more draft than pro player personnel.

[LightninBoy]

In the NFL it is imperative that you are able to find and develop low tier free agents to play useful roles. There isn't enough money or draft picks to address everything. And they are failing at this.

It seems like we are getting the mirror image of Quinn, he was more pro player personnel than draft and Holmes so far has been more draft than pro player personnel..

Yes, and this is why you need broad experience and connections at the GM position. Continuing to draw players from your old team is a red flag. It means you aren't evaluating a larger pool of players.

[DaGeezer]

At the start of the year how many wins did you think the Lions would get?

I said 4-13 on the Full-Season Pick thread before the season started. Seems there is some revisionism going on now.

[Cody_Russell]

Pleasant the first sacrificial lamb to get chopped

I felt sick reading this as my first reaction.
At the same time… if the game plan was for the DBs to be physical with Hill and Waddle yesterday…. That certainly didn’t happen.

AO regressed this year. Nickel CBs have been awful. Okudah has been mixed, but perhaps more positive.
Something had to give.

[JGSpartan]

So 6 seems to be the consensus. They are currently 0-5 against teams with winning records, 1-1 against teams with. 500 records and haven't played anyone that currently has a losing record.

They have 6 Games left against teams under .500 and 4 over. With how close they've been in some of these games is 4 wins unreasonable against the lesser teams? Stealing one win from the winners? Or some combination of that to get 5 more to get to 6? I don't think it is. I'm not convinced it happens but I'm also not convinced it won't.

They had a similarly front loaded difficult schedule last year and picked up more wins and a tie in the second half. Why is this year so different? Its a rhetorical question. I know the answer is frustration with not seeing W's in close games. I know some of you hate the patience word and I wouldn't argue with you that the Fords have been too patient in the past. I also think some of you are being too impatient in not even letting the season play out.

[JGSpartan]

I felt sick reading this as my first reaction.
At the same time… if the game plan was for the DBs to be physical with Hill and Waddle yesterday…. That certainly didn’t happen.

AO regressed this year. Nickel CBs have been awful. Okudah has been mixed, but perhaps more positive.
Something had to give.

I was surprised after the game to see Campbell pissed saying the game plan was press coverage because if they were trying to press they most certainly failed which is weird considering they have big corners. The question is of course how much of that is actually Pleasant's fault? How much is on the players? How much is on Campbell? I don't think anyone on the outside likely has the complete answer to that. Heavy press coverage does seem to be a good logical gameplan for the opponent if actually executed.

[Cody_Russell]

I was surprised after the game to see Campbell pissed saying the game plan was press coverage because if they were trying to press they most certainly failed which is weird considering they have big corners. The question is of course how much of that is actually Pleasant's fault? How much is on the players? How much is on Campbell? I don't think anyone on the outside likely has the complete answer to that. Heavy press coverage does seem to be a good logical gameplan for the opponent if actually executed.

Hard to say… it’s some combination of the players and position coach (Aubrey Pleasant) IMO.
The AO decline being a big mystery. Not too surprising to see mixed safety play and poor production from nickel CBs. Hard to ask much more out of Okudah given the achillies injury and he only has 17 games of experience in his career.

Seemed like Tua was quick releasing the ball all game and had monster success. I can hardly blame the lack of pass rush because that was evident yesterday too.

[Marko69]

My feeling is if the guys you got aren't doing the job, you fire them. Period. You can't worry about, "but what if the replacements are worse?" Because the correct answer to that is, "Well... fire them too!" Keep hiring and firing until if by no reason than dumb luck you find competent people.

This is the DWT “empty Shattford” technique is it not?! 🤔

[froot loops]

The pregame radio program talked that their gameplan was to press and be physical.

[Futureshock]

In the NFL it is imperative that you are able to find and develop low tier free agents to play useful roles. There isn't enough money or draft picks to address everything. And they are failing at this.

No. Because they fall in LOVE with players because they will play hard and not give up. Big Woop. Sounds like HS coach talk. Reminds me of Morenelli. I've seen a lot of hard working scrubs. That don't change the fact that they were loser scrubs. Maybe Campbell has a soft spot because he himself was a hard working scrub.

[chemiclord]

Hard to say… it’s some combination of the players and position coach (Aubrey Pleasant) IMO.
The AO decline being a big mystery. Not too surprising to see mixed safety play and poor production from nickel CBs. Hard to ask much more out of Okudah given the achillies injury and he only has 17 games of experience in his career.

Seemed like Tua was quick releasing the ball all game and had monster success. I can hardly blame the lack of pass rush because that was evident yesterday too.

It's been the gameplan for pretty much every team the Lions have faced; quick dropbacks, quick releases, never giving the DL time to even get there. The back seven have been making that far too easy; hell, I sometimes think the few sacks the Lions have been getting is because the opposing QB gets confused trying to decide which wide open receiver he should throw to.

How many times has an opposing QB had to check down? Maybe once a game?

[Futureshock]

Cool. Now fire the rest of them.

Someone said this and it's probably true. WHO was the guy that would have taken over if they canned AG? This actually makes it more likely they keep AG.

I was surprised after the game to see Campbell pissed saying the game plan was press coverage because if they were trying to press they most certainly failed which is weird considering they have big corners. The question is of course how much of that is actually Pleasant's fault? How much is on the players? How much is on Campbell? I don't think anyone on the outside likely has the complete answer to that. Heavy press coverage does seem to be a good logical gameplan for the opponent if actually executed.

IF this is the case, why would you go the ENTIRE game with off man and not say anything or ask why tf are we not pressing? Naw, it doesn't add up. It's a sacrificial kill. Plain and simple. How did the DL coach make it this far when they've been an embarrassment all season?

[chemiclord]

This is the DWT “empty Shattford” technique is it not?! 🤔

On the surface, you could say so, but it's not. This isn't scapegoating someone high profile. With the "empty Shattford" demands, you could easily point to receivers and offensive linemen not doing their job.

When the talent level on the field is piss poor, who could be responsible other than the person who assembled the team? Is there someone else making personnel decisions behind the curtain? If so, who?

[Futureshock]

Is it though? Coaching doesn't seem to be all that great and they only had so many draft picks. They LOVE their guys though.