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[ghandi]

Part of the problem is there were unreal expectations from the fans and from the media.....There was no basis for this team winning 8-9 games at this point.....The defense has been awful since Suh left years ago....Until that is fixed, this team wont win much....How many games would the Giants, Jets, and others win if their team allowed 32 points per game?

[froot loops]

This year they spent $1.5 million on the super back Jason Cabinda.

Fun fact, next year they at minimum will have $10 million dollars in dead cap for Brockers and Chark. They have a $6 million hit alone on Chark and he isn't even under contract.

[chemiclord]

Well whose fault is it the Lions defense is giving up 32 points a game?

How much longer can we blame Quinn and Patricia for the state of the team?

[froot loops]

If you take Kreton's argument at face value, all of the crappy teams last year that are having success this year are doing it wrong. So Seattle, the Jets, the Giants are all screwing up and the Lions are doing it right.

[ghandi]

Most likely the only change we will see is Aaron Glenn is fired and they try some other DC.....That probably buys Campbell one more year.....They'll draft a rookie QB with a top 5 pick and he will most likely flounder his first year and the team will win 3 games...Unfortunately we are the ones that suffer through all this.

[JGSpartan]

If you take Kreton's argument at face value, all of the crappy teams last year that are having success this year are doing it wrong. So Seattle, the Jets, the Giants are all screwing up and the Lions are doing it right.

Seattle was a seven win team a year ago with a HOF coach that they kept, Neither the Jets or Giants are contenders no matter how much you want to believe they are.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

1.5 million? The league minimum for that guy is probably a million. This is not what’s generally referred to as a “significant transaction”

[chemiclord]

Seattle was a 7-win team that allegedly traded away their HoF-caliber QB for packing peanuts. They should have (by the belief systems of the Optimigos here) completely cratered as a team. Instead, they got immediate results with the moves they made during the offseason, and appear to have not missed a beat.

[JGSpartan]

The Seahawks aren't a comparison situationally to Detroit no matter how much you want them to be for your narrative. Also for shiggles Pete Carroll was sub .500 his first two years in Seattle and had some measure of success after that. There's just no excuse for letting him do that. None.

In fairness he wasn't far off at 7-9 but I'm not the one going on rants saying there's no excuse to be under .500 in year two. No excuse.

[froot loops]

Seattle was a seven win team a year ago with a HOF coach that they kept, Neither the Jets or Giants are contenders no matter how much you want to believe they are.

Kreton's argument is that it's death to be a 7 or 8 win team. It's better to be a one win team in his eyes.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

Tanking wouldn’t exist if kreton wasn’t right on some level

[kreton]

Again with the bullshit. The Lions had the sixth most cap space in the league last offseason. Not only did they have money, they had more money than the bulk of teams. They got next to nothing with that cash. Their headline signing was D.J. Chark; who admittedly got 7 catches and 98 yards his last game...

... Oh wait. That's for the season? And now he's on IR? Well, that was a miss, huh?

The rest was spent resigning guys like Charles Harris (he of the dominating 1 sack and 13 tackles in six games), Josh Reynolds (who boffed as many TD catches yesterday as he's actually caught all season) and making sure the Lions got both their backup QBs back... who they promptly cut before any regular season games were played.

You are intentionally overlooking information to cry. It is funny at this point.

Cap space is what it is, but how much did Detroit have invested in their team? Lions in the two years with DC at the helm have had nearly 100 million in dead cap space over two years he had no control of. $100 million over 2 years for players not on the team. You ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative. Going from the worst in dead cap space to best in the NFL in two years is an incredibly great thing.

The Lions went from no talent to having probably the most talent taken in the last 2 drafts. We have possibly the best core of young players in the NFL right now. Tell me another team who has better players drafted over the last two years?

And on top of that we have two 1sts again this year.

This regime has fixed our dead cap hell.
This regime has no seriously bad contracts on the books.
This regime has done wonderfully drafting.
This regime is developing young players.
This regime has done great gathering draft capital.

Fixing the cap and salaries, drafting incredibly well, and doing it while not ruining the future is a good thing. You'd have not understand the NFL at all to sacrifice all that just have a .500 season now. It is idiotic.

You failed to realize this team would take more than 1 year and 8 games to fix. You failed. Fix your expectations and go learn how good teams are built. Cause this is it.

[Futureshock]

What a mess...

There is a reason that Holmes AND Campbell got 6 year deals. They tore this team down to the studs (which I think nearly everyone wanted them to do) and it was always going to take two years to build the foundation.

Did the NFL grant the Lions a reprieve from 4-5 year rookie contracts? THAT is just dumb. Not by you, but by Sheila. The bill will come due and it'll burn long before 6 years. Good or bad. Them slow walking, or even acting like they are, is disingenuous at best or directly stupid with no long-term view.

I expected 7-10 as the worst possible outcome this year.
This team will be lucky to be a 4 win team.
We had so many one score close loss games last year that I thought with growth we could be close to .500and build from there.
The close loss BS continues this year.

No improvement .
Look at the Bears- far less talent than us but 3-5.Look at the Vikes- 6-1 and leading the division with a brand new staff.
Look at the Jets with Saleh 4-13 last year and 5-3 already this year.
Drop the axe after the thanksgiving game which Buffalo will win 45-3

Screams Campbell. I too believe sans his (DC) screw ups, we'd at least be on pace. This team can not take losing because the HC is on the job training and making dumb mistakes.

This year they spent $1.5 million on the super back Jason Cabinda.

Fun fact, next year they at minimum will have $10 million dollars in dead cap for Brockers and Chark. They have a $6 million hit alone on Chark and he isn't even under contract.

Another fun fact: by cutting Brockers, they'll save 10 million. That's kind of disingenuous Froot. I expect better. I doubt they cut Chark because they save nothing and cost themselves $6 million. It is just not going to happen. I can see a restructure maybe, but that just stringing the problem into future years.

[chemiclord]

This is not how "good teams are built." This is how Optimigos trying to justify wasting more time and clinging to false hope say "good teams are built." This is how failures are built.

[kreton]

Kreton's argument is that it's death to be a 7 or 8 win team. It's better to be a one win team in his eyes.

Don't just make up lies and put words in my mouth. It is stupid tactic and pathetic if all you have is lying about me because you can't make any actual point.

I have said the goal is not to get to .500. And i said that a .500 team or a 1 win team is the same to me. And that I don't see any point in giving out bad contracts to try to get to 7 or 8 wins now and sacrifice the future with bad contracts.

We don't need another Jamie Collins and Tre Flowers to get us a couple wins now.