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[chemiclord]

Bullshit. There was NO reason to give them 6-year deals. They were stupid deals at the time, and they are stupid deals now.

Holmes should be fired right now. After two offseasons, you should have a .500 team. Period. No excuses. I don't care how barren you think the cupboard was. It is inexcusable for his team to be this bad after two bites of the apple. He has not earned a third.

Campbell should go right behind him, but if you want to be nice, I'd accept letting him know he's done at the end of the year. What's he going to do as a lame duck? Lose every game in front of him?

It's time to start firing people. This product on the field is unacceptable. Do not buy the Lions bullshit. Competent leaders can right a ship in the NFL very fast. Holmes and Campbell clearly aren't competent.

[JGSpartan]

You need to learn to chill. I guess the Bengals should've fired Zac Taylor. Niners should've handed Shanahan his walking papers. Those awful coaches could only get 4 wins in year two. I bet neither of them took their team to the superbowl in year three since it's clear that they were failures. There was no excuse for their teams to be that bad in year two...

[kreton]

Tearing down a terrible team, rebuilding through the draft takes time and will be painful for a couple years. Right now we are in year 1 of rebuilding in my opinion. Last year was nothing but a teardown. First step is build a foundation.

MCDC and Holmes might not turn the franchise around, but right now they haven't had a chance.

I cannot overstate that given the shape this team was in it could not be competing for the playoffs by this year no matter who the coach and GM were. Parcells, Walsh, Belichek, and Shula could all converge in their primes and could not have fixed the fucked up state of the Lions in 1 year and 8 weeks.

I get it sucks to wait, but this team was fucked. Stop expecting miracles.

[chemiclord]

.500 after two offseasons isn't a miracle. It should be the baseline. Holmes and Campbell have already failed, and there's no reason throwing more good money after bad. They aren't going to succeed. It's time to fire them.

[kreton]

.500 after two offseasons isn't a miracle. It should be the baseline. Holmes and Campbell have already failed, and there's no reason throwing more good money after bad. They aren't going to succeed. It's time to fire them.

It should never, ever, ever, be a race to .500. .500 is shit. Why are you so intent on mediocre?

Tell me, would you rather the Lions move money, and sign guys so we could get to .500 now at the expense of the future?

Perennial contenders build through the draft. They develop. That takes time. Not a bunch of restructuring for cap space now and be dead in the future.

Why do you insist on seeing us go from 3 wins to 5 to maybe 7 or 8 before it catches up and we are back at 3? You are literally begging for the same old Lions.

This team right now is building the right way. Yes, it is slower, but it is not the same because the Lions have not done it since at least the Sanders era.

And don't give me your fake bullshit .500 is easy. It isn't. Not with rookies who are growing. Not with some of the highest dead cap in NFL history. Not without overpaying for free agents who are willing to come here and spend their lives in .500 hell.

I am pretty sure you rooting for failure at this point just so you can spout your nonsense.

[chemiclord]

I didn't say clawing up to .500 is "easy." I said it's "the easy part." The hardest part of building a team is getting over the hump from good to great; because you generally don't have the same draft resources and you're looking for more specific players rather than just "BPA."

And going from 3 to 5 to 8 would only "catch up" to a team if the team was being poorly managed (i.e. doing things like Quintricia tried to do in their failed Year 3). Holmes might as well have taken all their cap space this last offseason, dumped it in the middle of Ford Field, and lit it on fire for all the good he did with it. That's why the team looks so incomplete right now, because he had an offseason that fans like you will eventually look back on and say, "Yeah, that was a disaster. I knew he wasn't the answer right then! Honest!" and hope no one has the receipts of them imploring his fellow fans to be "patient" and "the wins will come."

[wcfwtf]

Holmes got a 5 year deal and Campbell got 6.
Holmes has a little less leash to work with so if Campbell isn’t creating results he’ll probably be gone by mid year 2023.
Lions will need to be at least 4-4 through first half or at least 3-5 to finish next season in my opinion.

[gibby]

Tearing down a terrible team, rebuilding through the draft takes time and will be painful for a couple years. Right now we are in year 1 of rebuilding in my opinion. Last year was nothing but a teardown. First step is build a foundation.

MCDC and Holmes might not turn the franchise around, but right now they haven't had a chance.

I cannot overstate that given the shape this team was in it could not be competing for the playoffs by this year no matter who the coach and GM were. Parcells, Walsh, Belichek, and Shula could all converge in their primes and could not have fixed the fucked up state of the Lions in 1 year and 8 weeks.

I get it sucks to wait, but this team was fucked. Stop expecting miracles.

You do understand that the bulk of "young talent " will be out of their rookie contracts and be trying to get on a winner? There is no reason for why a quality player would stay on a loser. By the end of next year, the exodus of talent will begin unless they become a winner. Players understand that their careers are short and don't want to waste their opportunity.

The biggest red flag for me is the complete lack of improvement and development.

To that end, don't fire mcdc and Holmes. They'll just hire another worthless jackass. Rinse and repeat.

[kreton]

You do understand that the bulk of "young talent " will be out of their rookie contracts and be trying to get on a winner? There is no reason for why a quality player would stay on a loser. By the end of next year, the exodus of talent will begin unless they become a winner. Players understand that their careers are short and don't want to waste their opportunity.

The biggest red flag for me is the complete lack of improvement and development.

To that end, don't fire mcdc and Holmes. They'll just hire another worthless jackass. Rinse and repeat.

Who exactly are you worried about losing at the end of this season due to their rookie deal expiring? I honestly cannot think of anyone.

[kreton]

I didn't say clawing up to .500 is "easy." I said it's "the easy part." The hardest part of building a team is getting over the hump from good to great; because you generally don't have the same draft resources and you're looking for more specific players rather than just "BPA."

And going from 3 to 5 to 8 would only "catch up" to a team if the team was being poorly managed (i.e. doing things like Quintricia tried to do in their failed Year 3). Holmes might as well have taken all their cap space this last offseason, dumped it in the middle of Ford Field, and lit it on fire for all the good he did with it. That's why the team looks so incomplete right now, because he had an offseason that fans like you will eventually look back on and say, "Yeah, that was a disaster. I knew he wasn't the answer right then! Honest!" and hope no one has the receipts of them imploring his fellow fans to be "patient" and "the wins will come."

Getting over the .500 hump is hard if you build the shitty way to appease crying fans who are impatient.

Your expectations are rediculous. The team was a train wreck with no money and very little talent. Your failure to understand the state of this team then or now is not the failure of DC or BH.

[Dan V]

I expected 7-10 as the worst possible outcome this year.
This team will be lucky to be a 4 win team.
We had so many one score close loss games last year that I thought with growth we could be close to .500and build from there.
The close loss BS continues this year.

No improvement .
Look at the Bears- far less talent than us but 3-5.Look at the Vikes- 6-1 and leading the division with a brand new staff.
Look at the Jets with Saleh 4-13 last year and 5-3 already this year.
Drop the axe after the thanksgiving game which Buffalo will win 45-3

[Dan V]

The real question is after reading the debates here is do you go after a guy like Sean Payton ( you will have to pay him 10 million a year) or you go with a college wiz kid .
I thought the entire season was blown in the Minnesota game and that game was a summary and indictment of the entire Campbell regime. Bad coaching , bad football. Sorry Dan but it’s not working.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

Gibby, I have to disagree about player development….

you look at the ‘22 draft…everyone but Levi and Jefferson is a pretty regular contributor. They’ve turned Okudah and Swift into solid players. They’ve gotten solid contributions from undrafted CBs. They’ve taken a guy like Amon-ra who wasn’t highly coveted and has middling athletic skills and turned the guy into a featured WR.

So when you say “lack of development”, I think you need to explain exactly what you mean here.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

When I read the posts calling for blood….all I see is impatience and unrealistic expectations.

Anyone who looked at this D before the year started and saw anything but a bottom 5 unit that was going to give up 30+ a game was lying to themselves.

[chemiclord]

Getting over the .500 hump is hard if you build the shitty way to appease crying fans who are impatient.

Your expectations are rediculous. The team was a train wreck with no money and very little talent. Your failure to understand the state of this team then or now is not the failure of DC or BH.

Again with the bullshit. The Lions had the sixth most cap space in the league last offseason. Not only did they have money, they had more money than the bulk of teams. They got next to nothing with that cash. Their headline signing was D.J. Chark; who admittedly got 7 catches and 98 yards his last game...

... Oh wait. That's for the season? And now he's on IR? Well, that was a miss, huh?

The rest was spent resigning guys like Charles Harris (he of the dominating 1 sack and 13 tackles in six games), Josh Reynolds (who boffed as many TD catches yesterday as he's actually caught all season) and making sure the Lions got both their backup QBs back... who they promptly cut before any regular season games were played.