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[Futureshock]

From two years ago

Maybe he forgot he said that. Dummy

They'd be better to STFU now, until they do something positive on the field. To be clear, the only thing I would truly see as positive is winning. Go beat GB and beat the next team. Etc...

Sick of this yapping and theatrics and bs. The kneecaps, and LOVE, and pushups, and 1 az cheek and 3 toes, and talcum powder, and results oriented business bull, etc.... All of it. It's all gross at this point. Win or STFU

[kreton]

Doesn't matter what bull shit he spewed to the media 2 years ago. It was obvious to everyone who laughed as that statement when he said it. Last year was a tear down. There was nothing here.

This year should be building a foundation. Developing the last 2 years of picks and free agents.

Next year has to provide results.

I am one of the more forgiving people when it comes to what BH and DC are doing, but they can't rebuild forever. Next year this team needs a winning record. They will have had 3 drafts, 3 off seasons, and for this 3rd year no handcuffs from the previous regime. This will be a team that they have built without limitations.

[kreton]

So who is left from the Quinn era? Decker and Ragnow? That's it. I guess who we get from the picks from sell offs and comp picks like Joseph kinda count. But that era was brutal. And still haunts us now.

After this year it is a wrap though. 3 years of off seasons should be able to field a .500 team. The rule is NFL teams turn over a third of their roster every year so after three years both DC and BH need to be gone.

Vaitai and Okudah. Swift.

And I agree, this team has to be .500 next year.

[chemiclord]

Sorry to see Hock go but the tear down is still ongoing. Just hope to see a couple of more wins this season.

Isn't that the problem though? I thought the cupboards were already so bare that we were being so unreasonable to expect anything until Year 3 at the earliest. Now we're being told this team is still in the teardown phase?

So exactly when are we supposed to expect some actual, ya know, rebuilding?

Damn, the Lions are such an amazing grift. I gotta find a way to get in on that. Maybe I should cold call Sheila and talk about "pounding the rock" or "pad level."

Wait... is it too soon to recycle back on old platitudes?

[froot loops]

Jonah Jackson

[Futureshock]

Doesn't matter what bull shit he spewed to the media 2 years ago. It was obvious to everyone who laughed as that statement when he said it. Last year was a tear down. There was nothing here.

This year should be building a foundation. Developing the last 2 years of picks and free agents.

Next year has to provide results.

I am one of the more forgiving people when it comes to what BH and DC are doing, but they can't rebuild forever. Next year this team needs a winning record. They will have had 3 drafts, 3 off seasons, and for this 3rd year no handcuffs from the previous regime. This will be a team that they have built without limitations.

You still have the HC and his staff OTJT. The "plan" is way too unstable with too many variables. They need stability in their coaching ranks and Danny needs to put his pride out of the room to hear it. There's no room for his pride in a winning coaches room.

[Futureshock]

Isn't that the problem though? I thought the cupboards were already so bare that we were being so unreasonable to expect anything until Year 3 at the earliest. Now we're being told this team is still in the teardown phase?

So exactly when are we supposed to expect some actual, ya know, rebuilding?

Damn, the Lions are such an amazing grift. I gotta find a way to get in on that. Maybe I should cold call Sheila and talk about "pounding the rock" or "pad level."

Wait... is it too soon to recycle back on old platitudes?

That's just it though Chemi.

IF we accept this as being part of the "Tear down" it will always continue because every year someone will be up and traded or let go. I don't accept this as part of the original tear down. They have gone from sugar to sh!t in a matter of weeks.

[Futureshock]

Brad Holmes: T.J. Hockenson trade not reflective of our record, but we’re still in the build phase

Posted by Josh Alper on November 2, 2022, 3:18 PM EDT

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The Lions traded 2019 first-round pick T.J. Hockenson to a divisional rival on Tuesday and their willingness to deal the tight end to the Vikings suggests that the Lions don’t feel like they’re going to be competing with Minnesota in the near future.

That’s a reasonable assumption given the fact that the Lions are 1-6 and the Vikings are 6-1, but General Manager Brad Holmes said that the trade was not made because the Lions are once again at the bottom of the standings.

“This move was not reflective of our record,” Holmes said, via Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press. “If our record was reversed and it made sense for us, then we would have still done it. So it wasn’t anything of that nature, but it made sense for us and we just move forward.”

While Holmes suggested that the trade would be made even if the Lions were the team winning the NFC North, he also said that the Lions are “still in the build phase” and they think the capital they received in the trade — a 2023 second-round pick and 2024 third-rounder with a 2023 fourth-round pick and a conditional 2024 fourth-rounder going back to Minnesota — will help with that process.

The Lions were in a build phase when they drafted Hockenson as well and trading him before it’s done raises the question of when the Lions will finally flip to a different phase of their evolution.

[froot loops]

That quote is pure, unadulterated bull shit. If they were 6-1, they most definitely wouldn't have traded Hockenson. That is laughable.

They were trying to win this year. They didn't have a realistic shot at the playoffs but they were trying to win. Campbell doesn't coach as if the organization is committed to a tear down, quite the opposite. His aggressiveness is that of a coach trying to make a 3 win team into a 6 win team.

[Fraquar]

There is no way you can re-up Hock to the tune of 15 million plus average (top 5 money).
Holmes has to look to find a trade, because he'd be tied to the cross if he re-upped him for that kind of coin.
If he does what most want here (sign quality FA's) - Hock probably wouldn't even bring back a Comp pick.....

[Fraquar]

That quote is pure, unadulterated bull shit. If they were 6-1, they most definitely wouldn't have traded Hockenson. That is laughable.

They were trying to win this year. They didn't have a realistic shot at the playoffs but they were trying to win. Campbell doesn't coach as if the organization is committed to a tear down, quite the opposite. His aggressiveness is that of a coach trying to make a 3 win team into a 6 win team.

If they were 6-1, it wouldn't be because of all the pieces Holmes actually needs (and doesn't have) to be to become a 6-1 team.
A 15 million+ TE is either an extremely expensive luxury - or he's actually worth that kind of coin.
Lions can't afford the former, and he's definitely not the latter.

[JGSpartan]

Evan Brown is a Quinn guy too. The offensive line was in pretty good shape coming in and Sewell effectively completed that. The WR room was totally barren and the RB room only had an oft-injured Swift. TE room was empty after Hockenson. QB was filled but by a lesser talent.

Their defensive front seven is a barren wasteland of returned talent other than Romeo Okwara who was graded highly in his short time last year but then obviously hurt. They had to do a total reboot on that and it's still a work in progress. Drafting a hurt Onwuzurike did set that back some but they'd still be short talent there even if he was healthy and playing well. The secondary had some pieces in Okudah, Oruwariye, and Walker. Will Harris as well who has played ok at corner but the success is erased by Oruwariye's fall.

So basically you inherited 6 offensive starters with the 4 lineman, one often hurt in Swift and another underperforming in Hockenson. 5 defensive starters with two injured in Okwara and Walker, one playing well and healthy in Okudah, another playing well but not healthy in Harris and one more underperforming in Oruwariye. That's a lot of holes to fill.

[chemiclord]

There is no way you can re-up Hock to the tune of 15 million plus average (top 5 money).
Holmes has to look to find a trade, because he'd be tied to the cross if he re-upped him for that kind of coin.
If he does what most want here (sign quality FA's) - Hock probably wouldn't even bring back a Comp pick.....

Resigning Hockenson isn't the question here.

The question is why didn't Holmes make that move at ANY point in the two previous offseasons if they were actually trying to "tear it down to the studs?"

Why are we still in the teardown phase at all in Year 2? I thought the cupboards were already fucking bare. I mean, that's the excuse we were fed why the team looked like shit in Year 1. Why were they hanging onto people when they didn't need to if they were actually burning it all down?

The answer, of course, is that all of it is a load of bullshit. They're only now trying to claim it's a "teardown" now that they've realized they aren't going to have the horses in the pivotal Year 3 they had been targeting from the start. So now they're trying to sell off everything they can (which isn't much), and hoping that Sheila is enough of an idiot to buy the latest batch of snake oil (spoiler alert: she probably is).

SAME OL' LIONS!

[CGVT]

I told all you fuckers that this "great rebuild" was just a bunch of the same shit and nothing would change, but Nooooooo!

You fuckers bought into it and now you're all pissed off.

Jesus.

Ya'll should know better.

[froot loops]

If they were 6-1, it wouldn't be because of all the pieces Holmes actually needs (and doesn't have) to be to become a 6-1 team.
A 15 million+ TE is either an extremely expensive luxury - or he's actually worth that kind of coin.
Lions can't afford the former, and he's definitely not the latter.

Yeah, this post is bullshit as well, if you are 6-1 you are not dumping Hockenson. If you think you can't afford his $10 million salary in 2023 , you can trade him in the off-season. You definitely aren't trading him at the deadline for pick swaps.

I'm fine with the deal, but don't piss on someone's head and say it's raining.