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  • NFL Combine T.J. Hockenson trade reaction: Lions pushing more chips into future

    By Mike Payton
    Trickalicious - I don't think it is fair that the division rivals get to play the Lions twice. The Lions NEVER get to play the Lions, let alone twice.

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    • Non important and non premium aren't the same things. TE just isn't a high money position if you aren't a top 5 guy. He hasn't been one and wants to be paid like one.

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      • Originally posted by ghandi View Post
        THe trade should have been Hockenson for a 2nd....and to a n AFC team not within the division
        WHO CARES ABOUT IN DIVISION? It doesn't matter, it never would matter unless maybe you have two elite QB and you trade Mahomes to the Vikes. Even so ... you take the best offer ... what if you accept a 4th rounder from an AFC team to keep him out of division and then they grab the 2nd from Minnesota? Who cares about in division. It's TJ Hickenlooper
        WHO CARES why it says paper jam when there is no paper jam?

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        • I'm not trying to defend the Lions. He's a good player ... but he would've wanted huge money and he's not worth it. Dominates once per season and is hurt too much. Never became the blocker he was billed to be. Most here didn't want the Lions to pay him ... so what else?

          Here's what he is ... he's Kittle and Kelce ... when their prime years are gone. That's what Hock is forever

          Also Campbell wasn't some star TE ... he was a grit guy. Doesn't matter
          WHO CARES why it says paper jam when there is no paper jam?

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          • Originally posted by Forsh View Post
            I'm not trying to defend the Lions. He's a good player ... but he would've wanted huge money and he's not worth it. Dominates once per season and is hurt too much. Never became the blocker he was billed to be. Most here didn't want the Lions to pay him ... so what else?

            Here's what he is ... he's Kittle and Kelce ... when their prime years are gone. That's what Hock is forever

            Also Campbell wasn't some star TE ... he was a grit guy. Doesn't matter
            He's gonna kill us twice a year for at least the next 5 years. ENJOY!
            Trickalicious - I don't think it is fair that the division rivals get to play the Lions twice. The Lions NEVER get to play the Lions, let alone twice.

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            • I wouldn't trade a quarterback in the division unless the offer was significantly better than any other offers. I don't really care too much about the other positions.

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              • Hock and 2 4ths for a 2nd and 3rd doesn't seem like great value but if the Lions were going to let him walk then it makes sense I guess.

                My problem though is Hock is talented. Lions don't have much talent. Letting talent walk is questionable. However maybe its best considering what he wants for a salary.

                I didn't see this coming within the division. It certainly seems as if the Lions have accepted they are not talented enough to compete this year.

                DC and BH will get a pass through this year, from Sheila (not the fans clearly) but have to be on a very short leash next season. This does not seem to help them next year. They now have another huge hole to fill and are bringing less talent forward.

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                • If you have them on a short leash next year, you should fire them now. This is a very consequential off-season you shouldn't be saddling the next regime with picks made to keep their job. It can't be a short leash, you are either in with them or not.

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                  • Originally posted by Futureshock View Post

                    He's gonna kill us twice a year for at least the next 5 years. ENJOY!
                    No he won't and who cares
                    WHO CARES why it says paper jam when there is no paper jam?

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                    • Originally posted by Futureshock View Post

                      He's gonna kill us twice a year for at least the next 5 years. ENJOY!
                      That doesn’t mean he’s worth a huge deal. Pedestrian TEs and other players kill the Lions. If Trubisky could play the Lions every game he’d be headed to the HOF.

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                      • Being in the Lions front office must be an incredible grift.

                        What other team in the NFL would let you waste two years "tearing it all down," before even beginning to expect anything in terms of results? I mean, at this point, these clowns now have a ready made excuse when Year 3 fails. "We just finished the ripping down part! You have to be patient while we rebuild! You gotta!"

                        I now fully expect the #1 pick is going to spent on a QB, and Goff let go, just so Holmes and Campbell will have another "Get out of Jail Free" card. "We were working with a rookie QB in the first year of a rebuild! This is why we were given 5 and 6 year deals, remember?"

                        Sheila will fall for it. Rubes like kreton will fall for it. And the Same Ol' Lions will continue.
                        Last edited by chemiclord; November 1, 2022, 04:21 PM.

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                        • Hock had that big game and a few other nice plays ... butthe most explosive I've seen a Lions TE look this season was Brock Wright. Don't remember which game. Oh well. He's caught 6 balls on 6 targets. Throw him the ball a bit
                          WHO CARES why it says paper jam when there is no paper jam?

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                          • Originally posted by kreton View Post
                            Hock and 2 4ths for a 2nd and 3rd doesn't seem like great value but if the Lions were going to let him walk then it makes sense I guess.

                            My problem though is Hock is talented. Lions don't have much talent. Letting talent walk is questionable. However maybe its best considering what he wants for a salary.

                            I didn't see this coming within the division. It certainly seems as if the Lions have accepted they are not talented enough to compete this year.

                            DC and BH will get a pass through this year, from Sheila (not the fans clearly) but have to be on a very short leash next season. This does not seem to help them next year. They now have another huge hole to fill and are bringing less talent forward.
                            Hock hasn't done much to live up to what his inflated value is - his draft position. He certainly hasn't played like a top 10 pick in his tenure with the Lions.
                            This is good business (from the Lions standpoint) - but at the end of the day they need to get guys who can do a job with those picks.
                            For the Vikings? They are pretty much all-in on this season. Packers suck, might as well try to do your best to make a run. Future draft picks can't help them in an obvious season of opportunity.
                            Last edited by Fraquar; November 1, 2022, 04:23 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by chemiclord View Post
                              Being in the Lions front office must be an incredible grift.

                              What other team in the NFL would let you waste two years "tearing it all down," before even beginning to expect anything in terms of results?I mean, at this point, these clowns now have a ready made excuse when Year 3 fails. "We just finished the ripping down part! You have to be patient while we rebuild! You gotta!"

                              Sheila will fall for it. Rubes like kreton will fall for it. And the Same Ol' Lions will continue.
                              You're repetitive ... but you're not wrong. Fact is that all the injured players Holmes has taken have been crippling.
                              WHO CARES why it says paper jam when there is no paper jam?

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                              • Originally posted by edindetroit View Post
                                I think the Lions got fleeced
                                it wouldn't be the first or last time

                                I still feel good on the Stafford trade we shall see what beomes of it.
                                Last edited by The Ken; November 1, 2022, 04:24 PM.
                                Brand New Detroit Lions

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