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  • Can you point to the franchises that have done this approach and are winning big?

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    • Originally posted by chemiclord View Post
      This is not how "good teams are built." This is how Optimigos trying to justify wasting more time and clinging to false hope say "good teams are built." This is how failures are built.
      You think failures build through the draft and good contracts? You are just crying for the sake of crying now.

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      • Originally posted by froot loops View Post
        Can you point to the franchises that have done this approach and are winning big?
        Pats, Bucs, Rams, Bengals, Bills to name a few. Drafting works. It just takes time.

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        • We're on our way to being the next Patriots boys, nothing to see here.

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          • Originally posted by ghandi View Post
            Most likely the only change we will see is Aaron Glenn is fired and they try some other DC.....That probably buys Campbell one more year.....They'll draft a rookie QB with a top 5 pick and he will most likely flounder his first year and the team will win 3 games...Unfortunately we are the ones that suffer through all this.
            I don’t think Glenn gets fired

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            • I am not happy with anything right now. These guys act like they're operating in a static environment. Like everything will be ok until they are a better team. It just don't work like that. The world continues to get better and we needed Campbell and his "ideals" to be better. He has been better, but the players don't seem to be progressing.

              There's no consistency. Well, not for the good things. He still misses the "details" of the game in what falls to a HC. Like fighting the refs for your team. If they crew you, let em have it. just standing their looking like you have I-75 eyes can not happen. YOU must fight for your team. No, the players shouldn't worry about that stuff because YOU are supposed to do it. But no, "We have to play better." is what I can see playing in his beady head every time. No matter how bad they screw you. Next time he tells me we need to be better I would say, yeah you too.

              We NEEDED to get some positive momentum (and maybe it's not too late, but I don't see it this year) out of this year. Our guys NEEDED to KNOW we are just players away from contention. Now they have to wonder what the hell is it all about and for.

              The worse part? Canning these jokers may, may be not, be the longest route to having a better team. And we may be forced to watch Decker, Ragnow, Sewell, etc.. walk in FA right when the next FO gets their crap together. IF they get their crap together.

              In this case everyone is right and everyone is wrong because Sheila signed us up for a longterm plan in a situation that longterm plans don't exist. Maybe they'll let us keep our guys for 7 years instead of 5?
              Trickalicious - I don't think it is fair that the division rivals get to play the Lions twice. The Lions NEVER get to play the Lions, let alone twice.

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              • Originally posted by chemiclord View Post
                This is not how "good teams are built." This is how Optimigos trying to justify wasting more time and clinging to false hope say "good teams are built." This is how failures are built.
                Let's say you're right. The next group get's it right in 2024. Now, Decker, Ragnow, Sewell, Okudah and more, are all up fr contracts. No way in hale are we able to sign them all and THAT regime falls apart too. Unfortunately, it is this or else. Starting over now is just dooming the next regime for failure.

                Trickalicious - I don't think it is fair that the division rivals get to play the Lions twice. The Lions NEVER get to play the Lions, let alone twice.

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                • A good organization is ahead of the curve and knows who they will sign and won't sign and has a plan to replace them.

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                  • Originally posted by kreton View Post

                    You think failures build through the draft and good contracts? You are just crying for the sake of crying now.
                    What "good contracts?" We just went over how Holmes would have been better off setting the money he had on fire rather than what he did with it.

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                    • Originally posted by kreton View Post

                      Pats, Bucs, Rams, Bengals, Bills to name a few. Drafting works. It just takes time.
                      NO ONE has gone full draft and homegrown and lived to win. None. It is a childish and foolish plan. You have to supplement your team with better FAs. They signed FAs. They were just JAGS from this team that they LOVE.

                      Foolish. Change or f it. There's no need for any of us to watch until 2025 and the second next regime.
                      Trickalicious - I don't think it is fair that the division rivals get to play the Lions twice. The Lions NEVER get to play the Lions, let alone twice.

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                      • Originally posted by kreton View Post

                        Pats, Bucs, Rams, Bengals, Bills to name a few. Drafting works. It just takes time.
                        Now you're just making stuff up.

                        The Pats "drafting strategy" was lucking into Tom Brady.

                        The Rams have actively been tossing draft picks at anyone willing to take them for established veterans.

                        The Bills most recent retooling saw them go from a 6 win team to a 13 win team in two offseasons, which is exactly what I'm saying should happen, not you.

                        About the only hope you have for the Lions is that they replicate the Bengals. And even then, they went from a 2 win team to a 10 win team... in two offseasons!
                        Last edited by chemiclord; October 31, 2022, 11:10 AM.

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                        • If you are putting the Rams in your argument with Fuck Dem Picks then the argument has no meaning whatsoever.

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                          • Originally posted by Futureshock View Post

                            Let's say you're right. The next group get's it right in 2024. Now, Decker, Ragnow, Sewell, Okudah and more, are all up fr contracts. No way in hale are we able to sign them all and THAT regime falls apart too. Unfortunately, it is this or else. Starting over now is just dooming the next regime for failure.
                            I refuse to accept throwing good money after bad. If the Lions actually hire competent leaders, they'll figure it out.

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                            • Originally posted by Mainevent View Post
                              We're on our way to being the next Patriots boys, nothing to see here.
                              Yep, how dare we criticize the master plan.

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                              • At the start of the year how many wins did you think the Lions would get?

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