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Backus is a first round pick if that draft is done over again. Picking that out of all the Millen issues to choose from is grasping at straws to fit your narrative. In fact if that draft were re-done based on actual NFL careers, there's a good chance Backus, Raiola and Rogers all go in the first round. It's truly Millen's high point.

[Whitley]

There's no tried and true method on hiring a coach. The article I posted form The Ringer ran through a lot of the trends/pathways that teams tend to use and what's good and bad about all of them. The truth is, some of the best coaches in the league had little more experience than Ben Johnson does right now - including his current head coach.

Campbell did have 12 games as the interim coach in Miami, which is pretty big.

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Backus is a first round pick if that draft is done over again. Picking that out of all the Millen issues to choose from is grasping at straws to fit your narrative. In fact if that draft were re-done based on actual NFL careers, there's a good chance Backus, Raiola and Rogers all go in the first round. It's truly Millen's high point.

Yeah, if Millen drafted like that every year there would be a statue of him outside of Ford Field. Of course that draft was allegedly Bill Tobin drafting off of the notes of Ron Hughes who was fired by Millen. Then Bill Tobin lost a power struggle with Coach Marty and there is no statue.

But if you can draft three long term starters in the first round, that's 95 percentile shit.

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Campbell did have 12 games as the interim coach in Miami, which is pretty big.

Sure, definitely helped. But he was interim 6 years prior to the Lions hiring him. Nobody was chasing him after his interim run to hire him as a full time coach. He didn't build a coaching staff, create a roster, decide on the offensive and defensive schemes. Then he spent 5 years in NO where he never once held a coordinator title or called plays.

Is that better or worse than Ben Johnson being the OC a year (more than that depending upon how much credit you give him for last year) to go along with his 10 years of experience as an NFL coach? I don't know. The point is, there's no one path. I mean, Nat Hackett had a ton of OC experience and he was a terrible head coach.

[Whitley]

True, but Campbell made enough of an impression that Payton wanted him on the staff. And Miami players loved playing for him.

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And Fatty Patty made enough of an impression that BB wanted him on his staff. Twice.

Having a job is not really a reason to clamor for a guy.

But I get it. Ben seems like a good prospect. Dammit. I'd sure like to see him stay.

But hell, there was a time I felt that way about Cooter. So what the hell do I know.

[Mainevent]

So I posted the All Pro news in the NFL News thread and totally missed the fact that Khalif made 2nd team punt returner. Congrats to him - he went from a replacement level player to an invaluable player as both a returner and a WR.

https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-all-pro-team-travis-kelce-justin-jefferson-sauce-gardner-highlight-roster

[Topweasel]

Backus is a first round pick if that draft is done over again. Picking that out of all the Millen issues to choose from is grasping at straws to fit your narrative. In fact if that draft were re-done based on actual NFL careers, there's a good chance Backus, Raiola and Rogers all go in the first round. It's truly Millen's high point.

I got that the problem Iron Lion had wasn't Backus (though people here hated him his whole career). It was that given the opportunity Millen never truly did what he needed to get his guy and was always willing to settle for the runner up.

[Fraquar]

Backus is a first round pick if that draft is done over again. Picking that out of all the Millen issues to choose from is grasping at straws to fit your narrative. In fact if that draft were re-done based on actual NFL careers, there's a good chance Backus, Raiola and Rogers all go in the first round. It's truly Millen's high point.

And the flip side is if the Lions don't draft Backus and Raiola they probably get nowhere near the starts they got.
Being a starter on a trash team for 10 years doesn't exactly equate to earning a 1st rd grade because of the number of starts you got.....

Yeah, Backus likely is a 1st rd pick. The real crime was in reupping him to top 5 money.......
Yeah, Raiola likely was a 2nd rd pick. The real crime is he had pic's of the Ford Famiily and held them to ransom..... :D
Yeah, the real crime is year after year they kept complaining that it was the G between them that was the problem....

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Yeah, Raiola likely was a 2nd rd pick. The real crime is he had pic's of the Ford Famiily and held them to ransom..... :D
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Well, play stupid games, win stupid problems. They shouldn't have been caught doing that shit to those goats.....

[ghandi]

Backus main problem was he wasn't Steve Hutchinson, the pick right before him that made several pro bowls and went to the hall of fame in 2020......Thats the guy the forum wanted, not Backus.

[Iron Lion]

Backus is a first round pick if that draft is done over again. Picking that out of all the Millen issues to choose from is grasping at straws to fit your narrative. In fact if that draft were re-done based on actual NFL careers, there's a good chance Backus, Raiola and Rogers all go in the first round. It's truly Millen's high point.

I'm not sure I understand this response. If you think I'm saying Backus was total garbage, do you think I'm saying Mooch was total garbage also? I just said a few posts back that he was alright and that we know why he wasn't able to win. Regardless of the results, I'm saying that he who shall not be named had what I am calling Plan B tunnel vision. And I'm saying that's not a good strategy to maximize talent.

[Iron Lion]

And Fatty Patty made enough of an impression that BB wanted him on his staff. Twice.

Having a job is not really a reason to clamor for a guy.

But I get it. Ben seems like a good prospect. Dammit. I'd sure like to see him stay.

But hell, there was a time I felt that way about Cooter. So what the hell do I know.

There's a difference between a coordinator and a leader of men. That is the issue with guys like FMP.

[Iron Lion]

I got that the problem Iron Lion had wasn't Backus (though people here hated him his whole career). It was that given the opportunity Millen never truly did what he needed to get his guy and was always willing to settle for the runner up.

This.

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There's a difference between a coordinator and a leader of men. That is the issue with guys like FMP.

BUT HE COULD DRIVE A QUAD-RUNNER DUDE!!!!!!!!