OT: Technology and Geek Stuff Thread

[-Deborah-]

Oh, got it, thanks!

[Coop]

Top

ok - what does your phone do that an iphone cannot?

[Topweasel]

Top

ok - what does your phone do that an iphone cannot?

For starters. I can run any program I want at anytime. I can also load those off of OTA links. Either from a mobile page, or an email that webpages can send to one of my linked accounts. I also have the ability to use an App store if I choose. But If I want to run an X-rated program on my phone out of the box I can.

I can run once installed without hacks as many programs as I have system memory for and I am allowed to like any windows machine find that limitation on my own. I have running right now Trapster, Gtalk, Viigo (a very nice RSS aggregator that has several other features), and while having all of those up earlier today I brought up RDM+ (which is a remote desktop program that is connected desktop and lets me transfer files back and forth and even kill processes on my desktop).

This affects more then the Iphone but I can also through our proxy and through our firewall wireless link my work email to my phone since we don't have a forward facing exchange mailbox and without some overly complicated and restricted VPN setup. Though I don't blame anyone for this but I congratulate Blackberry for coming up with an interesting solution that really only cuts into people purchasing their Enterprise connection. But like before this is an out of the box solution, the software came with the phone. Screw bluetooth syncing, screw wired syncing, instant work email anywhere at no cost to our company.

[Coop]

so complete multitasking is about the only real advantage you can tout? iPhone 3.0 has full MS Exchange support... and supports Cisco VPN for remote connectivity. I have full remote access as well to remote control computers .. LogMeIn Ignition has worked well. Full access to the iPhone is possible via SSH

[mason reese]

For starters. I can run any program I want at anytime. I can also load those off of OTA links. Either from a mobile page, or an email that webpages can send to one of my linked accounts. I also have the ability to use an App store if I choose. But If I want to run an X-rated program on my phone out of the box I can.

I can run once installed without hacks as many programs as I have system memory for and I am allowed to like any windows machine find that limitation on my own. I have running right now Trapster, Gtalk, Viigo (a very nice RSS aggregator that has several other features), and while having all of those up earlier today I brought up RDM+ (which is a remote desktop program that is connected desktop and lets me transfer files back and forth and even kill processes on my desktop).

This affects more then the Iphone but I can also through our proxy and through our firewall wireless link my work email to my phone since we don't have a forward facing exchange mailbox and without some overly complicated and restricted VPN setup. Though I don't blame anyone for this but I congratulate Blackberry for coming up with an interesting solution that really only cuts into people purchasing their Enterprise connection. But like before this is an out of the box solution, the software came with the phone. Screw bluetooth syncing, screw wired syncing, instant work email anywhere at no cost to our company.

It's cool that you can do all that, but how many people really need that all that functionality in their phone?

[Topweasel]

It's cool that you can do all that, but how many people really need that all that functionality in their phone?

Why shouldn't people have that Functionality? Outside the email redirection has nothing to be with the programs I am running it about the ability run the programs. Who doesn't want Gtalk, Facebook, and Twitter running on their phone without having to close the program wait for the new program to load and download the new information.

Who doesn't want to to install a program developed for some cool functionality without being forced to go through Apple and have them judge you for your choices. The actions they pulled with the baby shaker killed any chance of me ever getting an Iphone even if I didn't have to move to AT&T. It was in poor taste but it shouldn't have been up to them to decide limitations on peoples humor levels.

[Topweasel]

so complete multitasking is about the only real advantage you can tout? iPhone 3.0 has full MS Exchange support... and supports Cisco VPN for remote connectivity. I have full remote access as well to remote control computers .. LogMeIn Ignition has worked well. Full access to the iPhone is possible via SSH

Again it can be done on both WinMo and Blackberry devices. We actually have a VPN setup for WinMo's at work. I was just talking about A cool out of the box feature. I didn't bring up RDM+ because its a cool software, I brought it up because its an intensive program I ran at the same time as Gtalk, Viigo, and Trapster.

[mason reese]

Why shouldn't people have that Functionality? Outside the email redirection has nothing to be with the programs I am running it about the ability run the programs. Who doesn't want Gtalk, Facebook, and Twitter running on their phone without having to close the program wait for the new program to load and download the new information.

Who doesn't want to to install a program developed for some cool functionality without being forced to go through Apple and have them judge you for your choices. The actions they pulled with the baby shaker killed any chance of me ever getting an Iphone even if I didn't have to move to AT&T. It was in poor taste but it shouldn't have been up to them to decide limitations on peoples humor levels.

I'm betting most people think of those as "nice to haves" not "need to haves".

And as far as the App Store goes, doesn't any store have the right to chose what they carry?

[Coop]

actually top ..push notifications do allow multiple programs such as gtalk to stay logged in without having the app open..

so like I said..there isn't any feature except more multitasking that your phone offers?

[Topweasel]

actually top ..push notifications do allow multiple programs such as gtalk to stay logged in without having the app open..

so like I said..there isn't any feature except more multitasking that your phone offers?

And the ability to install what I want when I want. I am not trying to put the Iphone down. As hardware its a great phone. As an OS it has one of the top notch. But instead of actually maximizing on that, they put limitations on there. 10 pages ago you even tried pushing the phone as "Jailbreaking could and should be done by everyone" then used the fact that you got yours as used as a way to circumvent the TOS part. Pointing out that certain programs can be part of a polling program so that you get notification but still have to close and start up programs, avoids the point that its multitasking limited. So what if it was wow armory, FML, texts from last night and so on. You nor Apple should be choosing what or how many programs I should run. Not for performance reasons when you have one of the most powerful phones, and not with non of the other mobile OS's doing it. Or if your going to find a more elegant solution then the Jack hammer 1 app, something along the lines of WebOS.


My phone isn't the best one. Its one that fits my needs. My recommendation against the Iphone has little to do with my phone. It has to do with an wide berth of more consumer friendly phones. The choices are so abundant I don't see where the Iphone fits in it in a consumer sense. Kudos to Apple for coming up with a user friendly touch phone before everyone else. If not for that I would like to think that the public at large would have a better understanding of their restrictions.

[Topweasel]

I'm betting most people think of those as "nice to haves" not "need to haves".

And as far as the App Store goes, doesn't any store have the right to chose what they carry?

Thats my point. You can't install a piece of software on you phone without using the App Store and they have shown that they are not against using that power to limit your choices on whatever grounds they decide. I much like WinMo users can install whatever software program we want even if it competes with either the providers or manufacturers features. I can go to their app store or I can install from a link on web page, or I can install from a link in an email. I am not asking for all of those features, but even an itunes portal for adding modules while syncing would be acceptable as well.

[Coop]

Top - I can install whatever apps I want when I want as well. I agree that Apple should not be choosing what I do with the device I purchase, and they can't.

[Coop]

And for the record, I am not trying to talk you into buying one or saying the iphone is better than yours, merely pointing out that the restrictions you refer to really aren't reality. Concerning the voiding of warranty/TOS - if my phone has a problem - I can flash back to stock firmware and Apple won't know the difference.

[-Deborah-]

You think you'll be able to flash it back to factory condition when it won't even boot up?

Coop, I have a Touch and love it, but a rational person who didn't want to devote their time to the thing shouldn't buy an iPhone just to jailbreak it or whatever you want to call it. It's too much effort and work for something other phones can do without it.

[Coop]

Deb - if it won't boot then it's probably a hardware failure and Apple won't really know it was hacked will they? I have jailbroken two ipod touches and three iphones and have yet to brick one. Granted it takes a little time to do some googling for due diligence to make sure you're doing it right...

You'd be surprised how easy it is to unlock the device these days. It's a one click executable, reboot, and then installation of an app from cydia. Takes about 5 minutes.

But I get your point regardless.