All Things Rams - Stafford Thread

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I've seen Hutch get the hook under the neck multiple times this year without getting the call. Chalked that up to a rookie just not getting respect from the refs, but clearly it's a more pervasive issue.

[ghandi]

If the 3-9 Rams owned their first rounder, would they have made the move to get Mayfield? Also it may be "stafford retirement" insurance, even though Mayfield most likely isnt a long term solution. McVay is the best offensive coach he has had though.

[Futureshock]

If the 3-9 Rams owned their first rounder, would they have made the move to get Mayfield? Also it may be "stafford retirement" insurance, even though Mayfield most likely isnt a long term solution. McVay is the best offensive coach he has had though.

No. I like the CLE coach A LOT more. McVay owns the camera and publicity by a wide margin though.

[chemiclord]

McVay is a good coach if you're a JUGGS machine. If you can throw the ball where you're told, you can thrive in a McVay offense. The instant you need to be more than that, you're fucked, because McVay is shit at actually teaching people. It was able to work with Stafford because Stafford already learned how to freelance when needed, and McVay was at least smart enough to let Stafford cook when there wasn't any other choice.

[Fraquar]

McVay is a good coach if you're a JUGGS machine. If you can throw the ball where you're told, you can thrive in a McVay offense. The instant you need to be more than that, you're fucked, because McVay is shit at actually teaching people. It was able to work with Stafford because Stafford already learned how to freelance when needed, and McVay was at least smart enough to let Stafford cook when there wasn't any other choice.

He taught our current QB pretty well - enough to get to a SB.....
Take away a QB's play toys and his protection - then your assessment make sense - but it's moot at that point anyway.
Rams are an organization that sold their soul to the Devil - got their payday - and now are paying the cost for it.
I'm not sure if it's ever happened, but they have a chance to be a SB winner who the next year finished dead last in the league. Only the Texans really stand in their way.

[Mainevent]

McVay has won over 60% of his games, 70% in the playoffs, been to 2 Super Bowls and has one championship. The idea that he is not a good coach full stop is sort of silly. The rep as a boy genius offensive guru has always been overrated but there’s a hell of a lot more to coaching than that.

[Topweasel]

McVay has won over 60% of his games, 70% in the playoffs, been to 2 Super Bowls and has one championship. The idea that he is not a good coach full stop is sort of silly. The rep as a boy genius offensive guru has always been overrated but there’s a hell of a lot more to coaching than that.

I said pretty much the same last year when before the playoff run. Someone (probably chemic) called him a replacement level coach. You don't have his success without being a skilled coach. He took a 1 win team to the play offs his first year. He got to a super bowl his second. He has won a super bowl.

Even at his young age, the next dynasty of a coach. Will he last as long as BB and Reid? No. I don't think he has the staying power. I think he is another Chucky and honestly he might already be be checking out now that he got his trophy. But he is t some bumbling idiot that got lucky with a good cast (like Callahan with the Raiders).

[chemiclord]

McVay's problem is also his strength. He is a very good strategist. He has some very novel concepts and his strategies are top notch.

The problem is that he is so smart and so sure of his strategies that he stumbles disproportionately when the situation isn't ideal, and he doesn't grasp how to adapt. You saw it in both of his Super Bowl runs.

When New England figured out to mask their real defense until the mic into Goff's ear cut out, he had no answer for that, and Goff was unprepared to do the job himself (partially because McVay made no effort whatsoever to help Goff learn, something both of them admitted to). The result? An offense that had been scoring 33 points a game scored 3 in the Super Bowl.

When the Rams started dropping like flies last year, McVay continued to insist on the strategy that would only work when everything was rolling properly. He kept slamming a pale shade of Cam Akers and a never-had-been Henderson repeatedly into a line that couldn't block for either of them, and was saved by the fact that Stafford was ready to do the job when McVay had no choice but to let Stafford cook.

McVay could be an all-time great coach, but he needs to learn how to get out of his own way. Question is will he, or will he check out/get fired before then.

[edindetroit]

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Sean McVay: You won’t see Cooper Kupp again this year

Posted by Mike Florio on December 13, 2022, 8:49 PM EST

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Rams receiver Cooper Kupp, who nearly set the single-season reception and receiving yardage records in 2021, won’t be back in 2022.

Coach Sean McVay made it clear that Kupp, who suffered a high-ankle sprain in Week 10 against the Cardinals, won’t return in 2022.

“Yeah, you won’t see Cooper this year,” McVay told reporters on Tuesday. “I would be hard pressed to see any scenario that he would play again this year.”

Cooper Kupp will finish the year with 75 catches for for 812 yards and six touchdowns in nine games. In 2021, he finished with 145 catches for 1,947 yards and 16 scores.

The addition of Baker Mayfield and the unlikely come-from-way-behind win over the Raiders have made the Rams an interesting team in the final four weeks of the season. They’ll have to stay interesting without Kupp.

[Fraquar]

McVay's problem is also his strength. He is a very good strategist. He has some very novel concepts and his strategies are top notch.

The problem is that he is so smart and so sure of his strategies that he stumbles disproportionately when the situation isn't ideal, and he doesn't grasp how to adapt. You saw it in both of his Super Bowl runs.

When New England figured out to mask their real defense until the mic into Goff's ear cut out, he had no answer for that, and Goff was unprepared to do the job himself (partially because McVay made no effort whatsoever to help Goff learn, something both of them admitted to). The result? An offense that had been scoring 33 points a game scored 3 in the Super Bowl.

When the Rams started dropping like flies last year, McVay continued to insist on the strategy that would only work when everything was rolling properly. He kept slamming a pale shade of Cam Akers and a never-had-been Henderson repeatedly into a line that couldn't block for either of them, and was saved by the fact that Stafford was ready to do the job when McVay had no choice but to let Stafford cook.

McVay could be an all-time great coach, but he needs to learn how to get out of his own way. Question is will he, or will he check out/get fired before then.

NO QB today is prepared for what Goff was exposed to. This isn't 1970 anymore, the calls are made into a headset that tell literally every player where they are supposed to go on a given play.
It's the QB's job to relay that message - not to run a playbook from the cuff....

To blame McVay (or any HC for that matter) is ludicrous at best. Shit, you see a league full of QB's who struggle just to deal with crowd noise, let alone become their own master when the comms go deaf......

[Intothewind97]

Goff was an excellent trade. All those draft picks and Goff is playing great. Stafford had the snot beat out of him for 9 years has had back to back concussions and has nerve problems in his spine. Out for who knows how long? Maybe for good if Mayfield pans out. Go LIONS!

[Mainevent]

It’s ludicrous to blame a coach for not adjusting their gameplan to counteract what the other team is doing?

[froot loops]

It was much easier to quarterback games in the 70s. The defenses were not even close to the complicated defenses today. It isn't even close.

1. McVay runs wants to run his gameplan like I organized the Denver Broncos playbook in Tecmo Super Bowl. Everything out of the same formation so the formation doesn't tip off the defense. The headset narrative has took hold, but I just think it was because New England had a really good defense and the Rams didn't have Gurley. McVay benefitted from Stafford because he brought a suite of shotgun plays from Detroit. In essence, he let Stafford cook when his standard shit wasn't working.

2. Jared Goff's struggles at the end of his tenure with Rams were just common shit that happens to good quarterbacks. You get this initial burst of production but eventually the league catches up to you and throws curveballs at you. The quarterback has to learn and grow by trial and error. The coach can help to prepare you, but it isn't the same as live fire. Stafford went through a fallow spell, that's why Jim Schwartz was canned in 2013.

3. When Gary Danielson had a talk show with Eli Zaret and Kirk Gibson, he talked numerous times on how long it takes for a quarterback to get to the point where nothing the defense can throw at you will surprise you. He would say it took until the late 20s. By then you are a grizzled enough veteran that you want them to blitz you. Goff is at that point, his stats against the blitz are top.of the league.

[chemiclord]

The "headset narrative" took hold because New England declared that's exactly what they did, and the Rams offered no counter explanation. Couple that with the Rams scoring about four touchdowns below their average, it's hard to buy that talent level was the sole difference.

My guess is that it was A factor, but not necessarily the most important one (otherwise every team would have shut the Rams down like that from that point on). But I DO think it highlighted McVay's stubbornness and unwillingness to accept that someone might have found a flaw in his grand plan. He got BETTER at that, evidenced by last year. 2018 McVay would have NEVER acknowledged things weren't working long enough to let Stafford cook.