Detroit Tigers

[froot loops]

The good news tonight is they broken up the Yankees perfect game, the bad new is they are down 12-0.

[froot loops]

The 85 wins was kinda joking but I think this division really stinks...The thing is they get to play each other alot so there are alot of easy wins...Tigers are 11-11 against the division, 11-19 against the rest of the league.....

It must be emphasized how bad this division is when people talk about how long a rebuild should take to be "sustainable". The Tigers are swimming in shallow waters.

[Fraquar]

It must be emphasized how bad this division is when people talk about how long a rebuild should take to be "sustainable". The Tigers are swimming in shallow waters.

It must be emphasized just how bad the division was when the DD Tigers were rebuilding.
Between 2006 and 2011 - there were only 7 winning seasons from the other 4 teams combined - and 4 of those came from one team.
It's not like the Tigers were facing Murderer's Row in the division back in the "glory days".

[Fraquar]

What are you talking about? Dombrowski threw cash at the problem and had the Tigers in the World Series in four years.

Avila has had seven to "build up the farm" and the Tigers aren't even a .500 team. The only thing "sustainable" in this is idiot rubes like you handwringing over how much cash Chris I. is stuffing in his pocket because you bought his bullshit that the Tigers were losing money.

Tigers WS year was one for the ages, that will likely never be duplicated. It took them 5 years after that just to reach the playoffs - in a division where the other 4 teams combined accounted for just what? 5 winning seasons?

That money bridged the gap - I'll never deny that.
That money did not make them a perennial contender - it took 5 more years till they reached that point - and most of the players in the 2006 season were long gone.
This shit takes time.

[froot loops]

It must be emphasized just how bad the division was when the DD Tigers were rebuilding.
Between 2006 and 2011 - there were only 7 winning seasons from the other 4 teams combined - and 4 of those came from one team.
It's not like the Tigers were facing Murderer's Row in the division back in the "glory days".

Reading your posts, you think the glory days are now with the 10 year rebuild!

[Fraquar]

Reading your posts, you think the glory days are now with the 10 year rebuild!

No, I just realize that what the Tigers achieved in 2006 was just a blip on a nearly 10 year rebuild.
It was a special moment that anyone who saw it doesn't forget.
I think 2006 Tigers, I think '69 Mets - from the Mets perspective, not the Cubs.......

It was something that wasn't sustainable - it takes time - especially when you have nothing in house.
Took 5 years before they won the division - they didn't even win it in that magical season.

You don't seem to be looking at teams like the Yankees - who are literally the Warren Buffett of the MLB landscape.
Making the playoffs is a JOKE, they are supposed to win it all - no matter what it costs (because they are the Warren Buffett afterall).
1 WS title in the last 20 years - and that WS they still had 4 players that were the nucleus the team was built around from the off....

What is it you expect? 2006 to repeat itself? Good luck with that - even our kids will be fortunate to see that again in our lifetime.

[chemiclord]

So... what IS sustainable in your head? Are you saying Tigers fans should be GRATEFUL for this?

[Fraquar]

So... what IS sustainable in your head? Are you saying Tigers fans should be GRATEFUL for this?

Sustainable is realizing who you are, and building your team accordingly.
TBH, the Tigers today aren't much better from a fanbase perspective than Minnesota.
People need to realize Detroit isn't the major player it used to be - when the population of the city alone when I was growing up was larger than the entire Kansas City Metro area today.
The entire Detroit metroplex now is barely bigger than the Minneapolis Metro area.......

I grew up in Detroit during the days when Detroit was one of the largest cities in the U.S. - now it's smaller than Indianapolis - by 20%......
If you'd have asked us if that was possible 50 years ago we'd have laughed in your face.

[JGSpartan]

I wish them the best in targeting those type of players, they have only been in Comerica 20 years.

That's what I was getting at. I wouldn't expect a chance at them being real contenders without change in the front office.

[ghandi]

That's what I was getting at. I wouldn't expect a chance at them being real contenders without change in the front office.

A real GM would be a great start but would the owner pay premium wage for one?

[froot loops]

Sustainable is realizing who you are, and building your team accordingly.
TBH, the Tigers today aren't much better from a fanbase perspective than Minnesota.
People need to realize Detroit isn't the major player it used to be - when the population of the city alone when I was growing up was larger than the entire Kansas City Metro area today.
The entire Detroit metroplex now is barely bigger than the Minneapolis Metro area.......

I grew up in Detroit during the days when Detroit was one of the largest cities in the U.S. - now it's smaller than Indianapolis - by 20%......
If you'd have asked us if that was possible 50 years ago we'd have laughed in your face.

During the era you call unsustainable, they were making profits every year.

[wcfwtf]

Wikipedia says Detroit is #12 with 5.2 million and Minneapolis is 15 with 3.6 million.
Deteoit shrank city wise but most just went to suburbs.
if you look at 1960 data where city was at its peak of 1.8 million I am sure the metro area is much smaller then the area today.
Deteoit area hasn’t really shrunk as much as others have just grew fast with people seeking sun.

[Fraquar]

During the era you call unsustainable, they were making profits every year.

Dead wrong. From 2008 to 2016, they were running the red 6 of those 9 years.
For the short term, sure, you can do that.
For the long term, you can't be bleeding 36.4 million like they did in 2016.

That was only sustainable if they make up those losses from their other business ventures.

[wcfwtf]

Or basically 1 Cabrera contract.
I have no problem with that contract but the Zimmerman contract was one of the worst. Not sure if he was on the team in 2016 but that may have been his first year

[froot loops]

Dead wrong. From 2008 to 2016, they were running the red 6 of those 9 years.
For the short term, sure, you can do that.
For the long term, you can't be bleeding 36.4 million like they did in 2016.

That was only sustainable if they make up those losses from their other business ventures.

That's all funny accounting tricks owners use and the saps lap up. If you listen to MLB owners, they have all lost money as long as the major leagues have been in existence. When you pay 20-30 dollars to park in one of the numerous lots owned by Olympia entertainment, that isn't reported as Tiger revenue, but it's owned by the same guy. If you can bring in 255-300 million dollars in revenue you can afford more on the budget.

As long as there are enough guys like you willing to say, "this shit takes time" even when there is no real evidence that the 7 year rebuild is doing anything, Chris Ilitch doesn't have to do anything but collect the revenue checks. Just count on your blind faith in the Tiger farm system to produce everyday players in 3 or 4 more years.