Detroit Tigers

[froot loops]

It's not going to matter much if Chris Illitch continues to lie to the fanbase that he can only sustain a below league average payroll.

You can hire Theo Epstein if you want, but if you only hand him $130 million a year to build a team, how much better can you expect it to be?

Agree with all of this, the reason I say a guy of Dombrowski's caliber is because that type of executive is not taking the job without payroll assurances.

But I think mostly anyone they hire is going to be an upgrade. Avila was a bad gm, he didn't do anything that helped the team. If Chris Ilitch continues his miserly ways, there isn't much hope but if you they do hire someone competent maybe they can improve the team to mediocre/average then a team that is fighting of triple digit losses.

[The King]

Should be interesting to see who gets the green light. The Tigers suck, but we do have a ton of young talent and decent farm system. It’s not barren, it’s a matter of how much the next guy (or gal, look at the Marlins) values prospects/team control over proven talent.

[The King]

We can rebuild the rebuild. Avila was ass, but we do have young controlled talent, and most importantly, cost controlled pitchers.

[chemiclord]

Where? Our starters are abysmal, and "the farm" is in the bottom third of the league.

There's only one way out. Buy buy buy, not sell sell sell. They have to spend, and spend heavily.

[froot loops]

To be a contender they need to spend big. You can plausibly argue if you improve the everyday lineup that you can compete in the Central. Until we see who they hire, we don't have a clue what they can do.

The story of this year is the pitching has kept them in most games but they are pitiful offensively. Theoretically a league average offense with this pitching is a team flirting with .500, just getting it to league average will cost a lot of coin. You can't just put your hopes that Baez has a bounce back and Torkelson and Greene become above replacement level players.

The one thing that can happen is a new GM can come in and make some moves. The new GM is not invested in giving Daz Cameron or Akiil Badoo more looks.

I trust their farm to produce some decent pitchers, but the positional players are a freaking mess.

[Fraquar]

They spent big on Baez - 140 million guaranteed......
It's not about spending big, it's about getting the right players with that money.
They are finally getting to the point they can get out from under Cabrera's bad contract - and just replaced it with one that may even be worse - and is on the books for the next 5 years.....

Hopefully the next GM understands things like OBP, BABIP and that the latter driving an increase in the former is unsustainable - when that increase is 50 points higher than anything you've ever done before.

[jaadam4]

The Victor Martinez 2nd contract and length of Cabrera’s contract was really rough on the payroll. Although when he was on his game he was one for the best ever and one of the coolest to watch.

Cabs always had a great time with the fans. I went to spring training one year and he was so cool to people.

[froot loops]

They make a ton of money, they need to spend or they will continue to be cellar dwellars. It's not that fucking hard.

[chemiclord]

If Chris Illitch truly can't afford more than a below average league payroll, then he needs to sell the team. That fans keep buying his bullshit is truly astounding. He is playing you all for idiots, and you are clearly happy to oblige.

[froot loops]

Fraquar brings up Baez, the free agent spend on Baez was a half measure . Ilitch either refused to go over 300 million for Correa or did a show offer he knew Correa wasn't going to accept. The end result was they went for an inferior right handed pull hitter who racks up the Ks to play in a stadium where those type of players flounder.
They are 7 years into a rebuild and the positional players on the farm are shit, if they don't spend and rely on the farm to produce those players they will have 5 more 100 loss seasons and Fraquar will still be saying this shit takes time in 2027.

[Fraquar]

This is true, and it's the same 1/2 measure that papa Illitch had to deal with - sign high risk, aged former stars because nobody who was really in their prime was going to come to Detroit.
The difference is papa Illitch must have made a deal with the devil himself because he got production out of all those aged FA signings - including a 40+ Gambler......
Maybe this is the payback to the Devil himself? Hehe.

[froot loops]

The Tigers (45-76), losers in 21 of 29 games since July 21, recorded their four hits (all singles) in the first, third, fifth and ninth innings. Over that same 29-game span, Tigers starters lead the American League — and rank third in MLB — with a 3.09 ERA.

[ghandi]

How many times has this team been shutout this year?

[whatever_gong82]

How many times has this team been shutout this year?

17 times, which leads all of MLB in being shut out.

[chemiclord]

The Tigers (45-76), losers in 21 of 29 games since July 21, recorded their four hits (all singles) in the first, third, fifth and ninth innings. Over that same 29-game span, Tigers starters lead the American League — and rank third in MLB — with a 3.09 ERA.

Meh. The pitching hasn't been the best of all time, so clearly the pitching is the problem, man.