Detroit Tigers

[froot loops]

The Tigers have legitimate MLB positional players but in a contending team they would occupying the bottom third of the lineup. Think of 2006, Monroe, Thames and Inge had career years, they combined for 80 Homers and they occupied the 7,8,9 spots most nights.

Grossman and Schoop are those type of players.

[Fraquar]

Hope for what though? It's 2022 and people who were clamoring for a rebuilding promised it would be much farther along than it is. Making a mad dash to get to 80-82 Is fool's gold. Their pitching has been OK, but the league is littered with pitching with this dead ball they are foolishly using.

This team is still in it's 4th year of the rebuild - since one of those years was essentially wiped out by COVID.
'18, 19, 21, 22.
Took DD 8 years to build a team capable of contending from year to year - it's still early days.
Year 5? 74-88
Year 6? They should have ran away with the Division - but literally gifted it to the Twins on a silver platter
Year 7? .500 ballclub

Not sure why people think this rebuild needs to be something DD's wasn't - nearly a decade long journey to build a team capable of seriously contending from year to year.

[The King]

Man, the amount of SP who are hurt is pure insanity. It shows we have a lot of depth there, which is nice. It's just unreal how many guys are out right now.

[ghandi]

This team is still in it's 4th year of the rebuild - since one of those years was essentially wiped out by COVID.
'18, 19, 21, 22.
Took DD 8 years to build a team capable of contending from year to year - it's still early days.
Year 5? 74-88
Year 6? They should have ran away with the Division - but literally gifted it to the Twins on a silver platter
Year 7? .500 ballclub

Not sure why people think this rebuild needs to be something DD's wasn't - nearly a decade long journey to build a team capable of seriously contending from year to year.

Avila was named acting GM in August 2015....I'd say the rebuild started shortly after that...It would have helped if he would have done better in many of those trades when he took over.....He got next to nothing for players like JV, Upton, and JD Martinez......The Tigers have alot of potential, but at some point you have to start winning.

DD was hired in 2002 as president...he took over as GM partway through the season.....by 2006 they won the AL pennant

[froot loops]

Exactly, this nonsense about the 4th year is ridiculous. They started trading established veterans for prospects in July of 2015, that's when the rebuild began. But even if it was 4 years in they should be better. Good grief, expect more, quit giving them excuses.

[Whitley]

Exactly, this nonsense about the 4th year is ridiculous. They started trading established veterans for prospects in July of 2015, that's when the rebuild began. But even if it was 4 years in they should be better. Good grief, expect more, quit giving them excuses.

They traded off a couple pieces at deadline 2015 and Leyland left at the end of the year. However, they were the wild card in 2016. And Avila brought the band back for one more run to start the 2017 season.

During the 2017 season. FA compensation was radically changed and the changes were to be implemented in the 2017 offseason (which was really odd usually those rule changes would take effect in 2018 offseason). That probably changed the plan since the best comp would have been a 2nd rounder and 5th rounder as opposed to a potential first rounder.

The package for JV was pretty highly thought of at the time. 3 top 10 prospects from a highly ranked farm system. Couldn't foresee all the injuries Franklin Perez would have. Jake Rogers was projected to be the Tigers starting C this year until Tommy John surgery. Daz Cameron is getting his chance now.

The market just was not there for JD. And despite being on fire with Arizona it still was not much of a market for him as a FA (didn't sign until real late in the offseason ...Feb I think) though his contract was solid (125/5).

[froot loops]

You guys have lots of excuses and a boundless supply of patience.

The package for JV was a pupu platter at the time of the trade and I told all of you that day. I was right, it was a terrible trade

[CGVT]

There is no bigger Tiger apologist than Whitley.

The gyrations are comical

[Whitley]

You guys have lots of excuses and a boundless supply of patience.

The package for JV was a pupu platter at the time of the trade and I told all of you that day. I was right, it was a terrible trade

Yipee. Want a gold star?

[chemiclord]

The package for JV was pretty highly thought of at the time. 3 top 10 prospects from a highly ranked farm system. Couldn't foresee all the injuries Franklin Perez would have. Jake Rogers was projected to be the Tigers starting C this year until Tommy John surgery. Daz Cameron is getting his chance now.

The package for JV was only highly thought of by miserly Tigers fans who had been wringing their hands about money that wasn't theirs since 2006. The rest of the league was laughing that Avila gave up Verlander for packing peanuts and a stick of gum.

[froot loops]

Yipee. Want a gold star?

Acknowledge me

[froot loops]

I find it funny that since Ken Holland said it might take 10 years for a rebuild of the Wings, that thought has taken root in nearly all of Detroit sports. People scoffed at it when he said it, but here we are. If you have to be terrible for 10 years to accumulate draft picks to finally contend, you aren't worth much as a GM.

Thankfully, it doesn't appear like the Lions are buying into that approach.

[chemiclord]

There's kinda somewhat merit in the idea that baseball and hockey can take longer to right a ship because there is a degree of "working through the system" involved, since draft picks are very rarely ready to handle the top flight right out of the gate.

That said, the idea that it can take a decade to do so ignores pretty much all precedent set by actually competent front office personnel in both sports.

[ghandi]

There's kinda somewhat merit in the idea that baseball and hockey can take longer to right a ship because there is a degree of "working through the system" involved, since draft picks are very rarely ready to handle the top flight right out of the gate.

That said, the idea that it can take a decade to do so ignores pretty much all precedent set by actually competent front office personnel in both sports.

and the Red Wings and Tigers have one thing in common....same owner....and he inherited the teams....There are rumors he isn't even all that thrilled with owning the Tigers but he did spend more on them this past offseason.

[jaadam4]

MLB and the NHL don’t have players that contribute immediately after being drafted. You’re fooling yourselves if you think they do It takes time to develop them and most players drafted in both leagues never make the bigs.

Kids don’t make it immediately because they have grown men they’re competing with that have chops and can play well into their mid 30’s at a high level. Rookies can’t compete there.

On the flip side both of those leagues have extreme longevity of its players compared to the NFL. Once you get a core as long as money can be managed you can also keep them around and be competitive

The NBA is different because of the small sizes of the teams so it’s on a separate scale and elite talent is ready at ealier ages.