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For me, being a true diehard Rams fan for.the last 388 days, I watched a lot of Ram games and I could see why Goff struggled with Wonderboy.

We will see how it goes this upcoming season.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

Look at superbowl winning QB's over the last decade or so. Mostly all vets and only a few with their original team.

I hate to introduce facts here….but 6/10 of the last 10 SB winning QBs we’re drafted by their original team. Brady/Manning/Stafford we’re all major trade/FA deals….doles is the only outlier

going back 5 years…doesn’t help that case either

[TheLondonLion]

For me, being a true diehard Rams fan for.the last 388 days, I watched a lot of Ram games and I could see why Goff struggled with Wonderboy.

We will see how it goes this upcoming season.

That’s fair and he can have his chance next season but we’ve seen quite a lot of Jared Goff and outside of one season, I haven’t seen much to suggest he’s a guy I’d want long term. He might prove me wrong and I’m open to that but I fear that we know what Jared Goff is by now.

What I don’t want is us to think “Jared Goff played alright this season, let’s stick with him”. You’ve got to be ambitious and take risks when you do get to win now mode - which I accept we aren’t near now.

[Futureshock]

It’s not about the QB being a hero - you have to build a team AND find a QB, preferably a rookie QB. That’s what Buffalo, KC (to some extent - maybe more imbalanced) and Cinci have done.

The Dilfer system QB/game manager model is in my opinion outdated in the NFL. More likely is that you join the tier of teams that have a good core but no quarterback and are on the carousel. The closest were the Niners who have just dumped their Goffesque QB to the trade block, because they don’t believe he’s a guy who’s going to take them over the top due to his limitations.

I’m fine with Goff as a bridge but conning yourselves that a meh guy on a huge contract for anything longer (unless he balls out) is also a route to failure.

Would you rather have a meh QB and team or a great team with a replaceable QB. Reaching for one of these future backups (unless you think we should blow #2 on the next Andy Dalton) will see us miss out on an extremely talented player.

REACHING in this draft sets back every selection after. I just posted an article where they're being compared to Andy Dalton, Kirk Cousins, Tyrod Taylor and Teddy Bridgewater. With your incessant need to shoot Goff out into space ASAP, you'd short sightenly jump on anyone with a pulse and a press release. Only wish we had a QB that can get to the SB. Oh wait...

Over here we have a saying, "All things in due time." It is not time.

Let's say they do what you want. Instead of a Treylon Burks type we settle for less. Instead of a Chad Muma, we settle for less. Instead of a Cine (S) we settle for less. Every pick is of a less talented person because of the reach. And we hope (like every year) the guys out perform their draft position. I know the theory here will miss you because you believe Goff is the big bad boogey man that's holding the team back, but that just isn't true.

Look, I know he's not MS, but really, no one we get will be. It took us decades to get MS. Those guys you have to be smart, patient and lucky. Lack any of that and you just end up rotating year end and year out with a worse option.

[edindetroit]

Look, I know he's not MS, but really, no one we get will be. It took us decades to get MS. Those guys you have to be smart, patient and lucky. Lack any of that and you just end up rotating year end and year out with a worse option.

Like the Washington Commanders

1986	Jay Schroeder (16)
1987	Jay Schroeder (10) / Ed Rubbert (3) / Doug Williams (2)
1988	Doug Williams (10) / Mark Rypien (6)
1989	Mark Rypien (14) / Doug Williams (2)
1990	Mark Rypien (10) / Stan Humphries (5) / Jeff Rutledge (1)
1991	Mark Rypien (16)
1992	Mark Rypien (16)
1993	Mark Rypien (10) / Rich Gannon (4) / Cary Conklin (2)
1994	Heath Shuler (8) / John Friesz (4) / Gus Frerotte (4)
1995	Gus Frerotte (11) / Heath Shuler (5)
1996	Gus Frerotte (16)
1997	Gus Frerotte (13) / Jeff Hostetler (3)
1998	Trent Green (14) / Gus Frerotte (2)
1999	Brad Johnson (16)
2000	Brad Johnson (11) / Jeff George (5)
2001	Tony Banks (14) / Jeff George (2)
2002	Shane Matthews (7) / Patrick Ramsey (5) / Danny Wuerffel (4)
2003	Patrick Ramsey (11) / Tim Hasselbeck (5)
2004	Mark Brunell (9) / Patrick Ramsey (7)
2005	Mark Brunell (15) / Patrick Ramsey (1)
2006	Mark Brunell (9) / Jason Campbell (7)
2007	Jason Campbell (13) / Todd Collins (3)
2008	Jason Campbell (16)
2009	Jason Campbell (16)
2010	Donovan McNabb (13) / Rex Grossman (3)
2011	Rex Grossman (13) / John Beck (3)
2012	Robert Griffin III (15) / Kirk Cousins (1)
2013	Robert Griffin III (13) / Kirk Cousins (3)
2014	Robert Griffin III (7) / Kirk Cousins (5) / Colt McCoy (4)
2015	Kirk Cousins (16)
2016	Kirk Cousins (16)
2017	Kirk Cousins (16)
2018	Alex Smith (10) / Josh Johnson (3) / Colt McCoy (2) / Mark Sanchez (1)
2019	Case Keenum (8) / Dwayne Haskins (7) / Colt McCoy (1)
2020	Alex Smith (6) / Dwayne Haskins (6) / Kyle Allen (4)
2021	Taylor Heinicke (15) / Ryan Fitzpatrick (1) / Garrett Gilbert (1)

[froot loops]

The first move Andy Reid made when he went to KC to rebuild them was not draft a rookie quarterback, he made a big move to trade for Alex Smith. He sent 2 second round picks to the Niners. The Chiefs had the first pick of the draft and didn't grab that rookie QB contract. They started him for 5 years. If you include the Chiefs as a team that started their rebuild with a rookie quarterback, than the definition means nothing.

[froot loops]

Smith went 50-26 as the Chief starter.

[JGSpartan]

I hate to introduce facts here….but 6/10 of the last 10 SB winning QBs we’re drafted by their original team. Brady/Manning/Stafford we’re all major trade/FA deals….doles is the only outlier

going back 5 years…doesn’t help that case either

You're right. I should have said original contracts. The main point was that the young QB's on rookie deals strategy hasn't yielded that many Superbowls. Only 4 out of the last 15 with Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell Wilson and Patrick Mahomes. 5 if you count the Eagles even though it wasn't Wentz winning.

You can go back a little further and add Roethlisberger, Brady and Warner(kinda, rookie money but not drafted there) on to that but it's still less than a third of the time and only gets worse the more you go back. There's certainly a strong argument to be made for hitting on a QB with a rookie deal as beneficial. I don't think anyone will deny that it isn't. Realistically though you're gonna have to build a team that can win while paying a QB a strong majority of the time.

[TheLondonLion]

Would you rather have a meh QB and team or a great team with a replaceable QB. Reaching for one of these future backups (unless you think we should blow #2 on the next Andy Dalton) will see us miss out on an extremely talented player.

REACHING in this draft sets back every selection after. I just posted an article where they're being compared to Andy Dalton, Kirk Cousins, Tyrod Taylor and Teddy Bridgewater. With your incessant need to shoot Goff out into space ASAP, you'd short sightenly jump on anyone with a pulse and a press release. Only wish we had a QB that can get to the SB. Oh wait...

Over here we have a saying, "All things in due time." It is not time.

Let's say they do what you want. Instead of a Treylon Burks type we settle for less. Instead of a Chad Muma, we settle for less. Instead of a Cine (S) we settle for less. Every pick is of a less talented person because of the reach. And we hope (like every year) the guys out perform their draft position. I know the theory here will miss you because you believe Goff is the big bad boogey man that's holding the team back, but that just isn't true.

Look, I know he's not MS, but really, no one we get will be. It took us decades to get MS. Those guys you have to be smart, patient and lucky. Lack any of that and you just end up rotating year end and year out with a worse option.

I’m not saying shoot Goff into space though. I’m saying give him next year (unless they’ve fallen in love with a QB who even then would sit). I’m saying be ready to move on. It would take a lot for me to be comfortable with Goff as anything more than a bridge QB, but he can prove me wrong.

[Futureshock]

Like the Washington Commanders

1986	Jay Schroeder (16)
1987	Jay Schroeder (10) / Ed Rubbert (3) / Doug Williams (2)
1988	Doug Williams (10) / Mark Rypien (6)
1989	Mark Rypien (14) / Doug Williams (2)
1990	Mark Rypien (10) / Stan Humphries (5) / Jeff Rutledge (1)
1991	Mark Rypien (16)
1992	Mark Rypien (16)
1993	Mark Rypien (10) / Rich Gannon (4) / Cary Conklin (2)
1994	Heath Shuler (8) / John Friesz (4) / Gus Frerotte (4)
1995	Gus Frerotte (11) / Heath Shuler (5)
1996	Gus Frerotte (16)
1997	Gus Frerotte (13) / Jeff Hostetler (3)
1998	Trent Green (14) / Gus Frerotte (2)
1999	Brad Johnson (16)
2000	Brad Johnson (11) / Jeff George (5)
2001	Tony Banks (14) / Jeff George (2)
2002	Shane Matthews (7) / Patrick Ramsey (5) / Danny Wuerffel (4)
2003	Patrick Ramsey (11) / Tim Hasselbeck (5)
2004	Mark Brunell (9) / Patrick Ramsey (7)
2005	Mark Brunell (15) / Patrick Ramsey (1)
2006	Mark Brunell (9) / Jason Campbell (7)
2007	Jason Campbell (13) / Todd Collins (3)
2008	Jason Campbell (16)
2009	Jason Campbell (16)
2010	Donovan McNabb (13) / Rex Grossman (3)
2011	Rex Grossman (13) / John Beck (3)
2012	Robert Griffin III (15) / Kirk Cousins (1)
2013	Robert Griffin III (13) / Kirk Cousins (3)
2014	Robert Griffin III (7) / Kirk Cousins (5) / Colt McCoy (4)
2015	Kirk Cousins (16)
2016	Kirk Cousins (16)
2017	Kirk Cousins (16)
2018	Alex Smith (10) / Josh Johnson (3) / Colt McCoy (2) / Mark Sanchez (1)
2019	Case Keenum (8) / Dwayne Haskins (7) / Colt McCoy (1)
2020	Alex Smith (6) / Dwayne Haskins (6) / Kyle Allen (4)
2021	Taylor Heinicke (15) / Ryan Fitzpatrick (1) / Garrett Gilbert (1)

That (and the graveyard of QBs here that precluded MS here) is horrifying.

WAS still has not learned a dam thing. They should be going in and trying to get one of those QBs that may be on the move. Like LAR did. Nope. They'll throw a rookie into the fray and he'll be good for a while. But when NFL DCs find out his kryptonite it will get ugly. Great vets have already been there and done that.

[Tom]

I thought this was interesting:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/21/aaron-rodgers-draws-criticism-for-playing-it-too-safe/

[whatever_gong82]

Like the Washington Commanders

1986	Jay Schroeder (16)
1987	Jay Schroeder (10) / Ed Rubbert (3) / Doug Williams (2)
1988	Doug Williams (10) / Mark Rypien (6)
1989	Mark Rypien (14) / Doug Williams (2)
1990	Mark Rypien (10) / Stan Humphries (5) / Jeff Rutledge (1)
1991	Mark Rypien (16)
1992	Mark Rypien (16)
1993	Mark Rypien (10) / Rich Gannon (4) / Cary Conklin (2)
1994	Heath Shuler (8) / John Friesz (4) / Gus Frerotte (4)
1995	Gus Frerotte (11) / Heath Shuler (5)
1996	Gus Frerotte (16)
1997	Gus Frerotte (13) / Jeff Hostetler (3)
1998	Trent Green (14) / Gus Frerotte (2)
1999	Brad Johnson (16)
2000	Brad Johnson (11) / Jeff George (5)
2001	Tony Banks (14) / Jeff George (2)
2002	Shane Matthews (7) / Patrick Ramsey (5) / Danny Wuerffel (4)
2003	Patrick Ramsey (11) / Tim Hasselbeck (5)
2004	Mark Brunell (9) / Patrick Ramsey (7)
2005	Mark Brunell (15) / Patrick Ramsey (1)
2006	Mark Brunell (9) / Jason Campbell (7)
2007	Jason Campbell (13) / Todd Collins (3)
2008	Jason Campbell (16)
2009	Jason Campbell (16)
2010	Donovan McNabb (13) / Rex Grossman (3)
2011	Rex Grossman (13) / John Beck (3)
2012	Robert Griffin III (15) / Kirk Cousins (1)
2013	Robert Griffin III (13) / Kirk Cousins (3)
2014	Robert Griffin III (7) / Kirk Cousins (5) / Colt McCoy (4)
2015	Kirk Cousins (16)
2016	Kirk Cousins (16)
2017	Kirk Cousins (16)
2018	Alex Smith (10) / Josh Johnson (3) / Colt McCoy (2) / Mark Sanchez (1)
2019	Case Keenum (8) / Dwayne Haskins (7) / Colt McCoy (1)
2020	Alex Smith (6) / Dwayne Haskins (6) / Kyle Allen (4)
2021	Taylor Heinicke (15) / Ryan Fitzpatrick (1) / Garrett Gilbert (1)

Man, that's just as awful as the Detroit Lions pre-Matt Stafford and afterwards.

[chemiclord]

I thought this was interesting:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/21/aaron-rodgers-draws-criticism-for-playing-it-too-safe/

The Packers are a better version of the Stafford-led Lions; a whole bunch of middling (home developed) talents and a couple stars, in which if Rodgers isn't on his game, they're going to struggle to beat the sort of teams the Packers routinely run into in January.

It's also a weird case where having the home field can hurt a team like the Packers, because cold temperatures can kneecap a passing team; and well... January in Green Bay can get pretty 'effin cold. For all the post's chatter about Garappolo's fearlessness, the dude was all famine, no feast in that game. He wasn't drilling anything other than his team's chances into the dirt. That loss was all on the "home grown" special teams that the Packers tried to build on the cheap.

[Futureshock]

The Packers are a better version of the Stafford-led Lions; a whole bunch of middling (home developed) talents and a couple stars, in which if Rodgers isn't on his game, they're going to struggle to beat the sort of teams the Packers routinely run into in January.

It's also a weird case where having the home field can hurt a team like the Packers, because cold temperatures can kneecap a passing team; and well... January in Green Bay can get pretty 'effin cold. For all the post's chatter about Garappolo's fearlessness, the dude was all famine, no feast in that game. He wasn't drilling anything other than his team's chances into the dirt. That loss was all on the "home grown" special teams that the Packers tried to build on the cheap.

And frankly, they've done a better job then the Lions on drafting, but not by much. They've drafted a million WRs and still only have 1 and a possible.

I think if he could take Adams with him, he'd be gone in a NY minute. That team needs change.


Aha!

[Futureshock]

Ron Rivera: Commanders have a lot to offer for a franchise quarterback

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 23, 2022, 10:30 AM EST

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Washington Commanders head coach Ron Rivera told PFT Live before the Super Bowl that his team wants to get in on it if a franchise quarterback becomes available. And Rivera says the Commanders could offer a lot.

Rivera said on Tuesday that Washington should be an attractive destination for a quarterback.

“We’d like to believe we would be a viable option for a lot of [quarterbacks],” Rivera told Ben Standig of TheAthletic.com. “We understand what the capital will take to bring a type [of] player like that here. We believe we have a lot to offer.”

Quarterbacks who could be available in a blockbuster trade include Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson or Derek Carr. Washington is in good salary cap shape and could pay those quarterbacks what they want, and Rivera’s comments suggest that Washington would be willing to deal multiple first-round draft picks for the right quarterback.

At the moment, Washington’s top quarterback would be Taylor Heinicke. Rivera likely believes he needs a significant upgrade if he wants to improve on the seven wins he’s had in each of his first two seasons.