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[froot loops]

Are we talking about the last guy that got shot because he wasn't listening to the cop then wrestled with him until he was shot? I can't remember the last time I refused to listen to an officer and then started wrestling with him until he shot me.

And before you spout off about be being a bigot or racist, I live on the continent of Africa where all the cops are black and racially profile white people. Matter of fact I've been detained in Congo where that dude was from. This shit aint hard.

Are you arguing that racial profiling is good?

[Nick Pappageorgio]

I’m really trying not to engage to much on this….But I didn’t say anyone deserved anything.

But apparently pointing our the following things means you’re a piece of shit racist:

1) Engaging in aphysical altercation with a police officer over his taser….is a high risk behavior for anyone. Doing so definitely voids your life insurance policy (which is kind of an objective way to view the relative risky-ness of that behavior). I put wrestling with a cop and struggling with him over his taser in the same high risk category of a behavior as fee-solo climbing….deserve doesn’t have anything to do with anything to do with it. Free-solo guys die all the time.

2) Fights are scary and extremely fatiguing, I shared an anecdote about being attacked and though I had the upper hand…the idea of “total control” in any fight is precarious

3) I push back on the idea that all police officers are robots like the terminator…they don’t feel fear, they don’t tire and they only exist to kill black people. I think they’re (mostly) normal people with emotions who are put into highly stressful, hostile, emotionally charged, violent, and potentially life threatening situations.

Sorry…but I get (understandably) defensive when being called a vile thing.

[jaadam4]

Are you arguing that racial profiling is good?

What racial profiling? Because the guy was driving a car that the plates didnt belong to then the cop pulled him over? How is that racial profiling? That's calling police work.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

It's like reading the PFT comment section. The NFL owners can do no wrong in hiring guys, they are always hiring the most qualified coach. But that's par for the course in this forum when this subject is brought up. The notion that Flores didn't help himself because he was an hard ass is laughable, the dude finished the season 8-1 with a bad team. White coaches who are hard asses get movies made about them.

But I didn’t argue that did I?

I said Flores got fired because Ross is a spoiled baby billionaire who wants to play with his toy his way.

I said his hard ass routine made him a bad court case…because he”s going to have so many people testifying he was hard to work with. In almost any corporate or work environment…a manager fostering positive relationships with his employees is in the job description. There are a lot of reports saying Flores struggled in this aspect.

I’ve always said Flores got a bad beat…I just don’t think racism is the underlying sin here. I’d go with pride in this case (ironically, for both Flores and Ross).

[jaadam4]

and even if you were racially profiled would you still not listen and wrestle with a cop? That's so stupid. Its like rationale is completely out the window. Do what the cop says then hire a friggin lawyer

[jaadam4]

no one cared about racial profiling after 911 when all the middle eastern people were pulled aside for extra screening. Or is racial profiling just when its white and black?

[Nick Pappageorgio]

And I didn’t see anyone on this forum complaint about the recent Winter Park shooting…but cops shooting unarmed white guys goes against the narrative of racist terminator cops.

FTR…that was also a very unfortunate situation, but fighting cops is a risky and stupid behavior.

[froot loops]

What racial profiling? Because the guy was driving a car that the plates didnt belong to then the cop pulled him over? How is that racial profiling? That's calling police work.

You are the one talking about racial profiling. In your post, you were saying don't spout off about racial profiling because it has happened to you in the Congo. Thems the breaks.

[froot loops]

no one cared about racial profiling after 911 when all the middle eastern people were pulled aside for extra screening. Or is racial profiling just when its white and black?

So you are OK with racial profiling?

[froot loops]

And I didn’t see anyone on this forum complaint about the recent Winter Park shooting…but cops shooting unarmed white guys goes against the narrative of racist terminator cops.

FTR…that was also a very unfortunate situation, but fighting cops is a risky and stupid behavior.

I've argued often in the forum for 20 years the cops in the US resort to violence far too often.

[froot loops]

But I didn’t argue that did I?

I said Flores got fired because Ross is a spoiled baby billionaire who wants to play with his toy his way.

I said his hard ass routine made him a bad court case…because he”s going to have so many people testifying he was hard to work with. In almost any corporate or work environment…a manager fostering positive relationships with his employees is in the job description. There are a lot of reports saying Flores struggled in this aspect.

I’ve always said Flores got a bad beat…I just don’t think racism is the underlying sin here. I’d go with pride in this case (ironically, for both Flores and Ross).

Maybe he loses his portion of the case, but I'd like to see the case get to open court. It's the only way that shit changes. Shine a spotlight on the NFL, let them go through discovery. If they are truly hiring the best available candidates, all of the emails will indicate that.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

I've argued often in the forum for 20 years the cops in the US resort to violence far too often.

Froot…I don’t disagree with your point. But I’m going to make an argument (and please don’t call me a racist for making it…I see a problem and I too would like to see it done better).

I think in the call for police reform….that some non-lethal tools have been taken away that shouldn’t have. Namely the nightstick and chemical mace (not that pussy pepper spay shit). I understand the abuses that led to these items being mothballed…but as bad as Rodney King was (and it was heinous and uncalled for), he lived to get some sort of justice.

It’s a tough situation when the police training (process that the officers are supposed to follow) gives them one non-lethal option (taser)…if they are disarmed process dictates going to the lethal (gun).

I think the optics on some of the non-lethal options are very bad and absolutely can still be abused…and you have to allow for cops to feel the human emotion of fear during tense, scary, and quickly unfolding events…bad decisions are going to be made under duress (to not expect that is unrealistic). It would be better (IMO) to give more non-lethal options to progress though…more people would get hurt but less would get dead.

[froot loops]

And please don’t call me a racist for making it…I see a problem and I too would like to see it done better).

Give me a break with this.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

Really?

how many times have you been called a racist piece of shit for your opinions this week? If I used a racial slur on this forum I would be censored….but calling someone a racist for a different (but decidedly not racist) world view is just fine.

Don’t act like I’m some sort of snowflake for treading lightly and asking for a little bit of a break myself Froot. Read the room man…no one called you any names, I can see why you’re not offended.

[chemiclord]

Ya know what? I'll apologize for making a scene of this.

But the clown is going to remain on ignore.