US Politics - 2020 Presidential Election - GOP v Dem cage fight (ENTER AT YOUR PERIL)

[Nick Pappageorgio]

This is total BS. No one wants to kill full term babies, besides psychopaths. The religious zealots try selling this as a way of garnering more support for removing a woman's reproductive rights but the facts simply don't back that up.

But this isn’t how the Democratic Party actually acts…..

The 12-15 week moratorium (compromise) has been rejected every time by the Democratic Party. They sued any state that tried to pass a ban past 15 weeks for years. They may not want to execute full term babies….but want abortions up to 24 weeks (almost 7 months). That is what they are fighting for. At 7 months they suck out the baby’s brain with a vacuum tube and then dismember the child taking it out piece by piece.

Tell yourself what you want….but that last bit is what you voted for and are fighting for. 24 weeks.

[-Deborah-]

I didn't realize you followed Michigan proposals, Nick. I would support restrictions to ensure those situations are for last resort cases. As a woman, I can't imagine ending a pregnancy that far along unless there's an extreme reason.

[Marko69]

Holy fucking shit.

Sometimes we say, “we can’t unsee what we just saw.”

And now we can’t unread what we just read.

Jaysus H, Nick! I know you’re only the messenger , but FFS! 🤦♂️

[Futureshock]

On a "me, me, me and I don't give a crap about anyone else but me" level, yeah I would ban abortions since a gf of mine had one and lied about it. BUT, no government should be telling someone how to run their personal life. Especially against their will. Some poor lady gets raped against her will and then she has to care the burden of that rapist's child and be reminded of it daily?

Republicans have to resolve in themselves that if they had let that issue be, they may have gained ground everywhere. I know the thought, "Maybe I/we, are wrong about that," would never be a thing in their minds.

[-Deborah-]

One percent of abortions are late-term and are typically done because of a fetal anomaly or a potentially fatal complication. For all of the focus on late-term abortions, you'd think it happened more than one percent of the time and that they were routinely being done by women who thought nothing of it. It would be a heart-breaking, horrible experience to go through at that point in a pregnancy.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

Deb…the Democratic Party has been doing this for years (I think this might be a little bigger than “Michigan Politics”). The whole reason we are where we are is because of the inability to compromise.


I believe in medical autonomy…..but I don’t understand how one side of this argument is metaphorically in favor of throwing babies into a pit like this is ancient Sparta, while claiming the people who want to stop the practice are backward-thinking barbarians, and then still want to cling to the moral high-ground.

Again, regardless of “what you can’t imagine”…..24 weeks is what you actually voted for.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

One percent of abortions are late-term and are typically done because of a fetal anomaly or a potentially fatal complication. For all of the focus on late-term abortions, you'd think it happened more than one percent of the time and that they were routinely being done by women who thought nothing of it. It would be a heart-breaking, horrible experience to go through at that point in a pregnancy.

And what percentage is late-term abortions in the case of incest or rape? Doesn’t stop liberal types from throwing that at anyone who wants a 12-15 week moratorium.

24 weeks may not be ideal to you….but that’s the standard you’re fighting for. If the Democratic Party had been ok with a 15 week moratorium, that case never goes to the Supreme Court and we’re not where we are (which is fighting for the right to dismember an advanced-stage fetus).

[chemiclord]

Problem is, the Republicans weren't okay with 15 weeks, and you know it. Dixon was on record as supporting the 1931 law banning it with no exceptions.

[froot loops]

The status quo with Roe v Wade worked fine over it's 50 years. Abortions were trending downward. This was only an issue because of the Supreme Court overturning it after every Republican justice said it was settled law. But it is now an issue that probably has another 50 years as an animating force in elections.

[chemiclord]

I kinda love the Republicans who throw their hands up, "Why won't Democrats compromise on this issues?" then describe what they'd be willing to accept... which winds up being the Roe vs Wade decision that their Republican dominated Supreme Court just threw in the trash can.

They're either that stupid, or they are intentionally arguing in bad faith. Could be both, I suppose.

[dpatnod]

Bingo. Yahtzee!!! The survey says....!!!!!!!!

[Mainevent]

Plus the things that are actually shown to reduce the number of abortions - sex education and access to contraception - are also things that Republicans are fighting to eliminate, restrict or just make it really difficult to access.

[-Deborah-]

Again, regardless of “what you can’t imagine”…..24 weeks is what you actually voted for.

BS

Here is what actually appeared on our ballot (and passed) here in Michigan:

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Bullet point number 2 would cover your 24 weeks scenario and is still regulated.

[CGVT]

What! Facts?

No way!

[Nick Pappageorgio]

First….a fetus isn’t viable at 24 weeks. So they’ve inserted some word-salad that made you believe there”s “limits” there, there are none. Again…you’re voting for 24 weeks.

2nd….the wording there is vague enough that any Dr. With lose-fitting morals can perform abortions at 8.5 months…they can abort on a viable fetus (as in…after 24 weeks) if it’s to protect the patient’s “mental health”? Maybe I was wrong about 24 weeks…it sure sounds like abortion is being legalized late into the 3rd trimester with that vague-ass wording.

3rd….When I hear you keep talking about “Michigan’s proposals”on this and specifically to the policy that your local municipality has around it, even trying to disqualify my opinion (based on how closely I’m following this local Michigan proposal)….you’re dangerously close to agreeing with the Supreme Court’s decision that abortion rights should be decided by states locally instead of a one-size federal edict.