US Politics - 2020 Presidential Election - GOP v Dem cage fight (ENTER AT YOUR PERIL)

[Whitley]

Yup.

And Democrats seem to act as though it's 1978 and we have a bunch of money around to throw at problems.

Republicans act as though subtraction unlimited is the secret sauce.

Both of those are highly flawed ways of running a government. How about we make efficiency a thing. NOT just eliminating services THAT WE PAY FOR. Or spending money just to be spending it. Research solutions that work and make them a thing.

a couple years ago I came up the study called the Cost of War published by Brown University. I was astounded by the amount of money we spend on contingency plans for the military. It is all about the political will to do things.

I might have posted it here but if you COULD have the following without raising taxes one cent if there was the political will.

Cut the military contingency spending by 75%, Repeal the Trump tax cuts (190 billion a year) and take the money in administrative costs saved (according to a Koch Brothers funded study) of 2 trillion over a decade. You take that pile of money and you can do the following:

1) Provide every full time college student tution (spelling?) up to 10k a year

While this would not provide free college 10k a year (and I would be fine with having to show progress to a degree/certain GPA) would go a long way to lessening the amount of loans to take out/

2) Provide $500/month UBI to all Americans that work full time AND have a side job to make ends meat (this numbers in the tens of millions).

This would not cover everyone, of course. And $500/month is not life changing but it would help pull a lot of people out of poverty and give them some breathing room so they are not paycheck to paycheck.

3) Cancel 8% of federal student loans.


So without raising one cent in taxes you have the given American people: better health care (through M4A), provided help for those going to college and provided economic relief to those Americans working hard and really struggling. Plus addressed student loan crisis a touch.

But there is not the political will do actually improve the lives of Americans that are not rich in this country.

[Futureshock]

Bbbbbbbbbububububut the terrorist will try to throw over the gubernment! Wait...

[chemiclord]

All of that would require a significant shift from the individualist-driven, anti-intellectual core of American society.

[Futureshock]

Commanders have no comment on Jack Del Rio’s tweet regarding January 6 hearing

Posted by Mike Florio on June 7, 2022, 11:01 AM EDT

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On Thursday night, the committee investigating the insurrection that occurred at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021 will hold its first public hearing. There are indications that the objective evidence systematically harvested by the committee will reveal, in overwhelming fashion, an attempted coup that potentially extended to the highest levels of the then-sitting American government.

Like every other question currently percolating through our nation, there are two sides. Regardless of whether there should be.

Among those who are both-sidesing one of the most harrowing and troubling events in American history is Washington Commanders defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio. In response to a tweet suggesting that Americans need to know the whole story of January 6, Del Rio said this: “Would love to understand ‘the whole story‘ about why the summer of riots, looting, burning and the destruction of personal property is never discussed but this is??? #CommonSense.”

First of all, the events of the summer of 2020 aren’t “never discussed.” They are discussed, primarily by those who believe that the organic reaction to police violence against minorities equates to a calculated, strategic, and sustained effort to sell a lie to the American public about the outcome of the 2020 election — and then to use a combination of Constitutional chicanery and brute force to overturn the will of the people.

Second, there’s a real difference between disorganized mayhem and a calculated assault on the seat of governmental power during the process of certifying a presidential election, at the express urging of elected officials and those aligned with them.

What happened on January 6 is precisely what many had feared in the weeks preceding it. It was in many ways worse than expected. It was in many other ways better than it could have been.

Regardless, the two dynamics are very different. And Del Rio’s effort to obscure the process of getting to the truth about January 6 by playing the what-about game regarding the summer of 2020 is disingenuous and harmful to the process of discerning the events that culminated in an assault on the U.S. Capitol.

I asked the Commanders if they have any reaction to Del Rio’s tweet. The team has no comment, for now.

Del Rio is entitled to his opinion (and we’re entitled to say his opinion is misguided), but he’s not entitled to his facts. Every American should be interested in setting aside partisan politics and listening to the evidence that the committee has developed, with an open mind and the best interests of the country at heart.

Regardless of political persuasion, no one should want to see a repeat of January 6. To best ensure that it doesn’t happen again, we need to know what happened, how it happened, and why it happened. If the violence, which entailed vicious assaults on multiple members of law enforcement, was incited or in any way coordinated by governmental officials, they should be held accountable.

If we can’t agree on that basic fact, then maybe America isn’t in danger of falling. Maybe it already has.

[Da Geezer]

Wooooooo So Snakiest. I must have hit a nerve.

Dude I am not changing my vote or views by where my assets come from. That's childish and immature. And stupid. No matter how many times you utter that nonsense, you are wrong. But you are also stupid so it fits.

I vote for how it will push PEOPLE forward. All people. YOU believe in some, "them vs us team death fight." I believe that we all could be better if we voted and supported IDEALS that work.

No matter how you try to re-frame reality your turd still stinks. ALL politicians turds stink. Sucker!

You see, I can speak without sounding like a party's mouth piece. That's real. And the pension I got was because the municipality, like most in Michigan during the state's heyday, had to try and come close to what was being offered by the big three automakers to get and retain talent. So it is a mirror of the PRIVATE SECTOR. Dummy. I have many, many, many family and friends that have never worked for "Government" and vote Democratic.

Maybe you should have went with your traitorous bros on June 6th. You are a person who has gotten his mis-information from a terrible source(s).



You are an idiot if you believe in that generalism. It is stupid and so are you. So you believe in individualism huh? Well riddle me this; why does everyone that doesn't follow the party line be shunned as a "liberal?" There's many, many, many examples where "Rs" absolutely do NOT forgive individualism. i.e. Every "R" who said anything that was in-contrare to a Trump spoken word or act. We saw it time and time again. As a matter of fact, one of the "R's" strengths is their unwavering loyalty to whatever your leaders tell you to be loyal to. Even down to the words coming from you. Sucker.

One of my closest friends here locally is a REPUBLICAN state senator. I guess I must not be a "Dem" because I voted for a Republican?

BTW, generalism is the basis of racism. You can't be racist without thinking in generalist terms. And while I am not a generalist, I do believe this to be true, in general. IJS

Future, you are a bought-and-paid-for public sector unionist. You were claiming you worked in the private sector and I was pointing out that you spent all 50 years getting some form of government largesse. You and your ilk will always vote D because that is the party of government. I suspect you actually know that.

I've been in the charter school movement for about 25 years now and I ran a charter school for 16 years (that means signing the paychecks and doing the hiring and firing) The school was 98% free-and-reduced lunch which is to say it was mostly black, so that is the experience I draw on when being called a racist. What I know is that black kids were and are being denied an education by the teachers' unions which do everything possible to avoid having those kids' funding following the child. I believe that public-sector unions are the root cause of much of what is wrong with the country.



And, in this country, I'm allowed to have that opinion.

[chemiclord]

You're free to have an opinion, and we're free to call you out on your reactionary bullshit.

[Futureshock]

Future, you are a bought-and-paid-for public sector unionist...

I am a blue collar NEVER BEEN IN A UNION guy. You again are very wrong. At least you are consistent. THAT's what generalism leads you. I am me. IDGAF what you think, or any one following your stupidity. Mr. Individualism, we all make our own on our own and am not beholden to following a pack. Maybe that's how you live your life, but it ain't mine. And I did, and I am going back in retirement, work in charter schools for years. So I guess I am just a mess of public and private employ.

Unions have been a great people. I bet you never shared these in pinions with the people you were employed with. Why?

Nobody owns me chump. YOU are owned by the KKK and Trump.

Have your opinion. It and you are stupid and you justify that opinion with every general non-individual opinion given. "THe "R's" are about individualism" Get the F outta here with that crap.

Question: A few people gave opinions and thoughts. Why pick ME out. Not WHAT I said, but me?

You're a racist.

And, in this country, I'm allowed to have that opinion.

[Futureshock]

CGTV you are right but the racist can't stop commenting about me.

[Marko69]

https://twitter.com/jondharvey/status/1534171104629121026?t=bcCNZuqfYTLXBOUuctjkMA&s=08

[Da Geezer]

Question: A few people gave opinions and thoughts. Why pick ME out. Not WHAT I said, but me?

You're a racist.

Low hanging fruit. I tend to react personally to personal insults.

[Futureshock]

Low hanging fruit. I tend to react personally to personal insults.

Oh.

Really?

I see that Geezer brought his special racist, "I'm not racist, but..." ridiculous world view over from the M side of the forum. Nice.

You're wasting your time Future. Just wait until he starts telling you that only net earners should be allowed to vote. He misses the days the you were only counted as 3/5 of a person. Oh wait. You may be one of the "good ones"

He actually believes that Repubs believe in financial austerity, even though the facts and actions say otherwise.

He wants to destroy all government programs, starting with public education and thinks the county is going to shit because people would like to see a level playing field and old white guys shouldn't be the only people making the rules..

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps man, even if the Republican have cut those straps off at the boots.

You reacted to a known black guy and thought you had a place to put me. Naw. I am not him.

[Da Geezer]

Oh.

Really?



You reacted to a known black guy and thought you had a place to put me. Naw. I am not him.

Not true, but I don't expect you to believe that. You are a victim. Period. So be it.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

Commanders have no comment on Jack Del Rio’s tweet regarding January 6 hearing

Posted by Mike Florio on June 7, 2022, 11:01 AM EDT

Getty Images

On Thursday night, the committee investigating the insurrection that occurred at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021 will hold its first public hearing. There are indications that the objective evidence systematically harvested by the committee will reveal, in overwhelming fashion, an attempted coup that potentially extended to the highest levels of the then-sitting American government.

Like every other question currently percolating through our nation, there are two sides. Regardless of whether there should be.

Among those who are both-sidesing one of the most harrowing and troubling events in American history is Washington Commanders defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio. In response to a tweet suggesting that Americans need to know the whole story of January 6, Del Rio said this: “Would love to understand ‘the whole story‘ about why the summer of riots, looting, burning and the destruction of personal property is never discussed but this is??? #CommonSense.”

First of all, the events of the summer of 2020 aren’t “never discussed.” They are discussed, primarily by those who believe that the organic reaction to police violence against minorities equates to a calculated, strategic, and sustained effort to sell a lie to the American public about the outcome of the 2020 election — and then to use a combination of Constitutional chicanery and brute force to overturn the will of the people.

Second, there’s a real difference between disorganized mayhem and a calculated assault on the seat of governmental power during the process of certifying a presidential election, at the express urging of elected officials and those aligned with them.

What happened on January 6 is precisely what many had feared in the weeks preceding it. It was in many ways worse than expected. It was in many other ways better than it could have been.

Regardless, the two dynamics are very different. And Del Rio’s effort to obscure the process of getting to the truth about January 6 by playing the what-about game regarding the summer of 2020 is disingenuous and harmful to the process of discerning the events that culminated in an assault on the U.S. Capitol.

I asked the Commanders if they have any reaction to Del Rio’s tweet. The team has no comment, for now.

Del Rio is entitled to his opinion (and we’re entitled to say his opinion is misguided), but he’s not entitled to his facts. Every American should be interested in setting aside partisan politics and listening to the evidence that the committee has developed, with an open mind and the best interests of the country at heart.

Regardless of political persuasion, no one should want to see a repeat of January 6. To best ensure that it doesn’t happen again, we need to know what happened, how it happened, and why it happened. If the violence, which entailed vicious assaults on multiple members of law enforcement, was incited or in any way coordinated by governmental officials, they should be held accountable.

If we can’t agree on that basic fact, then maybe America isn’t in danger of falling. Maybe it already has.

Man….if this isn’t a pile of shit that completely misses Del Rio’s point while simultaneously jerking-off the author’s blinders-on view of the world.

Two events like a year apart:

event 1- protesters take over a several block area of a major metropolitan city for a 3 week period. Multiple gov’t buildings are occupied. Residents and businesses were were shaken down for “protection”….destruction/vandalism in tens of millions. After 3 weeks police disperse the crowd

event 2- barricades are crossed/broken down at a federal building, protesters enter the federal building and cause tens of thousands of dollars in vandalism….mostly messing up offices and taking souvenirs . The protesters leave peacefully after only a several hour period.

one of those events….no (or very few) prosecutions, investigations, and was referred to as “summer of love” by liberal media and politicians.

the other event sparked one of the most wide spread, extensive, and expensive mass federal investigation and prosecutions in the history of the United States. Multiple public congressional hearings are held……Is repeatedly referred to as “insurrection” by liberal media and politicians.

Del Rio is correct that negative press that the January 6th event generates is mountainous compared any sort of critique leveled against of the protests of 2020 which resulted in billions of dollars in damages to multiple US cities. The cost of the Jan. 6th investigations, prosecutions, and needless subcommittee meetings far far exceed the cost of any damages…it’s a politically driven nonsensical prosecution. It’s a show.

If you really believe that it was OK to go set fire to someone’s private business over racial justice in 2020 and it’s appropriate to not investigate/prosecute those events…..but believe the people who put their feet up on Pelosi’s desk deserved prison time for their dangerous ideals and insurrection, then we have very different value systems (namely that hypocrisy isn’t part of mine).

[CGVT]

Del Rio is an idiot spouting right wing talking points.

It is apples and oranges.

I am pretty sure that very few people think it was ok to riot and... it is not about the finacial costs of either.

The bottom line is, that obious to all but partisan hacks, that there was an effort to over turn the election. Yes. It was an insurrection. No. They were not tourists talking selfies.

Was it lead by Trump? Were they insited by Trump and his lackeys? Most likely Was it a result of Trump pushing his Big Lie about the election being stolen. Without a doubt.

Let's get the facts. The fucking facts, and then let's hold the perpertrators of the insurrection accountable. Period.

The Jan 6 insurrection, and a make no mistake it was an insurrection, was a threat to our Democracy and our elections. Period.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

It was 2,500 people protesting (that’s the high-bar figure)…..when six to eight months before Democratic officials repeatedly told everyone how patriotic protesting (breaking things) was.

You really believe that 2,500 people (less than the population of Central Lake MI….more people went to Drake’s Birthday party than the insurrection) is a threat to democracy? Because that sounds like some hyperbolic bullshit to me.

Did you find the guy in the bison costume especially intimidating or something?