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US Politics - 2020 Presidential Election - GOP v Dem cage fight (ENTER AT YOUR PERIL)

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  • THIS, is an OPINION. It is not fact. If only some people could disseminate between the two...


    Opinion: Why Steve Bannon's conviction really matters

    Even though Bannon’s conviction is for contempt, rather than for an underlying crime, the principle remains the same. For more than two centuries, America has been a society bound by the rule of law, not the rule of men – and we need to keep it that way.

    Bannon’s case was weak from the start. Opening his criminal trial, prosecutor Amanda Vaughn told the jury, “This case is about the defendant thumbing his nose at the orderly process of our government.” Referring to Bannon’s failure to appear before the January 6 committee, she explained: “The defendant didn’t get the date wrong. He didn’t get confused on where to go. He didn’t get stuck on a broken down metro car. He just refused to follow the rules.”


    The defense raised two issues at the beginning of the trial to try to justify Bannon’s lack of compliance.

    First, they claimed that Bannon was still negotiating with the committee after his failure to produce subpoenaed documents and to appear, and before Congress held him in contempt.

    But the evidence showed that he never asked the committee to move the deadline for his appearance. And the day after his subpoena deadline passed, his verified Gettr account posted: “Steve Bannon tells the Jan 6 select committee that he will NOT comply with their subpoena.”


    Nichols also rightly rejected his non-viable defense that his lawyer advised him he could defy the committee, as well as his claims that the committee’s subpoena was invalid and that internal Justice Department policies protected him.

    All of this led Bannon’s lawyer to ask the court, “What’s the point of going to trial if there are no defenses?” To which Nichols pithily replied, “Agreed.” When a defendant goes to trial despite the overwhelming proof of his guilt, prosecutors say the trial is little more than “a long guilty plea.”


    Here’s an even more fundamental point. Subpoena defiance and the insurrection are birds of a feather. The American system of government requires that there be both a peaceful transition of power and a successful investigation of those who seek to interfere with it. Deterrence by punishment for such interference is the only way to stabilize American democracy.

    Bannon has used his defiance as an opportunity to bolster his MAGA brand – with more of his usual bravado. That, however, will not shield him from the consequences in a federal court where the judge has seen through his ploys. Bannon now faces a minimum of 30 days and up to one year in jail on each of the two counts.

    In November, after being arraigned, Bannon said this trial would be “the misdemeanor from hell” for the Biden administration. Nichols and the jury made sure that did not happen – except perhaps to Bannon himself. In a society governed by the rule of law, there is a piper to be paid.
    Trickalicious - I don't think it is fair that the division rivals get to play the Lions twice. The Lions NEVER get to play the Lions, let alone twice.

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    • Education about media intake in the landscape has become a must. People need to be taught how to seek properly sourced information for facts, taking unverified sources with a grain of salt. Among other things like learning to separate the facts from the opinions as most people get their news from an opinionated source.

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      • Originally posted by JGSpartan View Post
        Education about media intake in the landscape has become a must. People need to be taught how to seek properly sourced information for facts, taking unverified sources with a grain of salt. Among other things like learning to separate the facts from the opinions as most people get their news from an opinionated source.
        I think the biggest issue to be people just wanting to hear what they want to hear. First you got to convince them that they're best off doing this. This country has gotten so fat and lazy mentally that people just would rather have someone else (that bastard) tell them what to think. It makes for people that are easily moved and motivated to do the bidding of the person manipulating them.

        I think if people are motivated by facts and truths, they would have been turned away from narratives, generalization and racism. Yet...

        Nobody here fits that description do they?
        Trickalicious - I don't think it is fair that the division rivals get to play the Lions twice. The Lions NEVER get to play the Lions, let alone twice.

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        • Narratives are something largely unavoidable as long as you have human beings reporting on the events happening. Bias is never going to go away, even if you approach it with the highest amount of good faith.

          The problem is when your narratives start getting detached from anything that can be proven. GOP talking points are run through so many filters of inference at this point that trying to find the fact underlying this nationwide game of telephone they're playing is nigh impossible. At the very least, you can find the primary sources for most left-leaning narratives without TOO much trouble, even if you go a little cross-eyed trying to figure out how they got from A to B.

          Listen to Tucker Carlson and compare it to Rachel Maddow; considered the "extremes" of the cable news talking heads. Finding Maddow's sources aren't terribly difficult. Wherever Carlson is getting his talking points from is a place not even connected to reality, to the point where his lawyers argued IN COURT that no reasonable person should take what he says seriously.

          It's simply not the same, no matter how much political nihilists or old fossils want you to believe otherwise.

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          • Originally posted by chemiclord View Post
            Narratives are something largely unavoidable as long as you have human beings reporting on the events happening. Bias is never going to go away, even if you approach it with the highest amount of good faith.

            The problem is when your narratives start getting detached from anything that can be proven. GOP talking points are run through so many filters of inference at this point that trying to find the fact underlying this nationwide game of telephone they're playing is nigh impossible. At the very least, you can find the primary sources for most left-leaning narratives without TOO much trouble, even if you go a little cross-eyed trying to figure out how they got from A to B.

            Listen to Tucker Carlson and compare it to Rachel Maddow; considered the "extremes" of the cable news talking heads. Finding Maddow's sources aren't terribly difficult. Wherever Carlson is getting his talking points from is a place not even connected to reality, to the point where his lawyers argued IN COURT that no reasonable person should take what he says seriously.

            It's simply not the same, no matter how much political nihilists or old fossils want you to believe otherwise.
            I agree.

            I argued against the "both do this" thing for a long time and people just didn't get it. The two are not equal. What I do say is if we had a decent third choice, I would never vote for either again until they got off their high horses and fixed this mess.

            We have US citizens being killed in the street because a cop is afraid. We have US Citizens being led to attack Congress (CONGRESS!) and think they're Patriots. No you're dumbazes that should have been shot for assaulting our democracy. The failure to do so has no shifted these people to be more likely to do it again if their leader asks them to "fight like hell."

            Consumer confidence is real. And when you have someone spouting hate and all that nonsense, his followers cheer. But it is damning to consumer confidence and is long term poison for the economy.
            Trickalicious - I don't think it is fair that the division rivals get to play the Lions twice. The Lions NEVER get to play the Lions, let alone twice.

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            • And we have this...


              Will Brett Favre face federal charges in Mississippi welfare fund controversy?

              Posted by Mike Florio on July 25, 2022, 11:53 AM EDT

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              There’s a mess in Mississippi. And it may take the federal government to clean it up.

              Native son and Hall of Fame quarterback Brett Favre has landed in a welfare-funds fiasco. From $1.1 million in alleged money for nothing (he denied that he was paid for not doing anything, but he also paid back the money) to business dealings with former governor Phil Bryant to questions regarding $5 million for a new volleyball stadium at the University of Southern Mississippi, Favre seems to crocs-deep (and deeper) in the broader scandal. The recent news that Mississippi fired a lawyer who had launched an effort to get to the bottom of the money paid to USM resulted in claims from that lawyer regarding the possibility that the move was part of a politically-motivated effort to conceal certain facts.

              Enter the federal government, potentially. Deep in Sunday’s item from the New York Times reside a couple of paragraphs as to the possibility of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Justice taking real action. The FBI has been looking at the scandal for more than two years. And Mississippi Representative Bennie Thompson, per the Times, sent a letter this month to Attorney General Merrick Garland requesting that the DOJ focused on Favre and Bryant.

              “The people of Mississippi deserve answers,” Thompson wrote to Garland.

              If those answers aren’t going to be sought by the Mississippi government, the federal government needs to intervene. This whole thing has stunk to high heaven from the get go. Hopefully, someone will fully explore the source of the stink — and take any and all appropriate steps to eradicate it.
              Trickalicious - I don't think it is fair that the division rivals get to play the Lions twice. The Lions NEVER get to play the Lions, let alone twice.

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              • Rachel Maddow was sued for false news and her defense was her show is not news but opinion.
                some, most, people on here crack me up with their takes.
                just shows the ignorance of political opinions on the internet. Lol

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                • Just google it and you’ll come up with it

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                  • A court ordered that people know that Rachel Maddow uses opinions and exaggation and not facts and therefore cannot be sued.
                    glengreenwald.com

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                    • Yes, Maddow exaggerates and trumps up facts to push her narrative.

                      That's not the same as outright fabricating bullshit, which is what Tucker Carlson does.

                      She wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."
                      https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/91774...ay-fox-s-lawye

                      Neither are "good," per sey. But they aren't merely different sides of the same coin, and your attempts to claim so demonstrate your feeble mind. The right is significantly worse on nearly every topic. Democrats aren't the solution, but Republicans are the problem right now.

                      (You might want to note that I did not say "liberal" and "conservative." I wish we had a real conservative party right now.)
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                      • Truth ^

                        It's like opinion - based on nuanced extrapolation of actual facts (with perhaps some exaggeration) versus flat out fantasy bullshit invented out of whole cloth.

                        Have you tanned your testicles today?
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                        Lions Fans.

                        Demanding Excellence since Pathetic Patricia Piddled the Pooch!

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                        • For what it's worth, I don't watch any of them. Not Hannity or John Oliver or any of them. I don't need my news pre-digested.

                          But the idea that "oh both sides are the same man," is what you say when you try to pretend you're "above it all."
                          Last edited by chemiclord; July 25, 2022, 09:16 PM.

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                          • It's not both sides of the same coin, though. It's apples and hemhoroids.
                            Lions Fans.

                            Demanding Excellence since Pathetic Patricia Piddled the Pooch!

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                            • I'd say it's more like a skin rash and colon cancer.

                              Neither are ideal, and in a perfect world you'd rather have neither; but if a doctor says a test came up with bad news, you'd definitely prefer one to the other.

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                              • Tin foil Patriots gotta protect us...

                                Florida man arrested while trying to warn Space ... - NBC2 News

                                Florida man arrested while trying to warn Space Force about battle between aliens and dragons

                                by NBC2 News

                                4:37 PM EDT, Mon July 25, 2022
                                A A


                                BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. – An Ocala man has been arrested after stealing a car in an attempt to access Patrick Space Force Base.

                                According to the Brevard County Sheriff’s Office, Corey Johnson, 29, stole a truck in Riviera Beach before heading north to the base three days later.

                                While trying to get into Patrick Space Force Base, Johnson claimed the President told him, through his mind, that he needed to steal the truck to warn government officials about U.S. aliens fighting Chinese dragons.

                                Johnson was arrested and booked into the Brevard County Jail. He has been charged with grand theft of a motor vehicle.
                                Trickalicious - I don't think it is fair that the division rivals get to play the Lions twice. The Lions NEVER get to play the Lions, let alone twice.

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