US Politics - 2020 Presidential Election - GOP v Dem cage fight (ENTER AT YOUR PERIL)

[-Deborah-]

Hunter Biden's laptop actually exists and is full of incriminating information about the President. The "gallows" does not exist in reality.

[-Deborah-]

MSNBC?

I don't watch cable news but I doubt you'd consider any news source other than Fox legit so it's pretty irrelevant.

[Da Geezer]

I was born and raised around entire communities of people like Geezer. The only thing unbelievable about all this is that people find it unbelievable.

Heh!

All small town folks want is to be left alone. And the Constitution guarantees that.

I guess when you are on the dole, you need someone to look down on.

[froot loops]

Hunter Biden's laptop actually exists and is full of incriminating information about the President. The "gallows" does not exist in reality.

Yet another thing you can Google and find numerous stories on it if you choose. It was a real gallows they constructed. These folks just want to be left alone as they beat the living shit out of the Capitol police and chanted, "Hang Mike Pence." They fought like hell, just like Donald Trump instructed them to.

[chemiclord]

Heh!

All small town folks want is to be left alone. And the Constitution guarantees that.

I guess when you are on the dole, you need someone to look down on.

Bullshit. The people who descended on Washington on January 6th want a white supremacist nation that they think the Constitution guarantees them. Sad thing is, they're probably right about that (which is about the only thing they're right about). They want to be left alone only in the context of extending their dominion over everyone else without challenge.

Hunter Biden's laptop (presuming it actually even his) exists as a physical item, yes. The chain of custody of that item is such a mess that there'd be no way of proving any of its contents are legitimate.

But of course, your racist ass is going to ignore things like facts and truth because they run contrary to your imagined reality.

[Da Geezer]

Bullshit. The people who descended on Washington on January 6th want a white supremacist nation that they think the Constitution guarantees them. Sad thing is, they're probably right about that (which is about the only thing they're right about). They want to be left alone only in the context of extending their dominion over everyone else without challenge.

But of course, your racist ass is going to ignore things like facts and truth because they run contrary to your imagined reality.

Yup. Everything is about race.

I can't help you.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

Several liberal publications including the NYT and Washington post have now authenticated the laptop. It’s real…it’s his. It’s not Russian propaganda like they told people before the election.

It’s not just a FoxNews thing anymore. It’s just that the news entities that are Democratic slanted are talking about it a lot less. From everything I’ve read …there’s no smoking gun, but probably enough to impeach if a republican house uses the same standard that the dems used against Trump in his first impeachment.

And from what I understand the chain of custody on the laptop is pretty clear cut….from hunter to his computer guy to the FBI.

[froot loops]

Yup. Everything is about race.

I can't help you.

For the most part the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers are about race.

[chemiclord]

Several liberal publications including the NYT and Washington post have now authenticated the laptop. It’s real…it’s his. It’s not Russian propaganda like they told people before the election.

It’s not just a FoxNews thing anymore. It’s just that the news entities that are Democratic slanted are talking about it a lot less. From everything I’ve read …there’s no smoking gun, but probably enough to impeach if a republican house uses the same standard that the dems used against Trump in his first impeachment.

And from what I understand the chain of custody on the laptop is pretty clear cut….from hunter to his computer guy to the FBI.

No, it's NOT clear cut in the slightest. There is a massive gap in the possession of that "computer guy" where anything could have happened to it or was put on it. Literally a year and a half goes by in the possession of this computer guy. Who the hell knows how many people had access to it? The overwhelming majority of the content on that drive cannot be authenticated because there's no verifiable chain of custody.

And Trump was impeached because the guy was on tape trying to negotiate a quid quo pro with a foreign president to investigate a political rival. At worst, presuming that no alteration of the content's of Hunter Biden's laptop occurred, is that Hunter Biden tried to use his father's position to slide in on some money making deals (which is shady as fuck but ultimately something Hunter is on the hook for). Even if with his father's knowledge (which if taken completely at face value would suggest Joe Biden had no interest in), that is not even remotely the "same standard" that got Trump impeached the first time.

Unless you're talking about the Burisma and Shokin nonsense, which has been debunked repeatedly because the fucking verifiable timeline of events makes it impossible to have went down the way the GOP wants it to have.

[JGSpartan]

The right thinks everything the left does is a witch hunt because the majority of what they do is a witch hunt.

You can swap the names and it still applies.

Regarding the laptop though, even if there were damning things on it and even if they were true it would be nigh impossible to prove they weren't tampered with or faked.

To be clear though, I give absolutely zero fucks about Joe Biden and if it is somehow actually proven then fuck him. We shouldn't be defending politicians from accountability regardless of their party or affiliation. The threat of investigating him if republicans gain control isn't something that bothers me.

[chemiclord]

I would agree in the sense that if Biden actually used his position to get a foreign prosecutor dismissed to defend his son from prosecution that should be an impeachable offense, yes.

The difference between the two scenarios is that one has been proven to be bunk. It wasn't even Biden's decision, but a bipartisan congressional action that cut the aid, and it's not even clear that Slotkin was investigating Burisma to begin with (the story on that score has been astonishingly inconsistent over the years, and as far as anyone can tell Slotkin made it up on the spot after he was fired to save face). If Biden is guilty of anything, it's taking credit for something that wasn't really his doing (this is an annoyance a ton of politicians do).

The flip side has then-President Trump on the record trying to coerce and investigation of a potential political rival out of the Ukrainian President in exchange for aid. There's no laptops appearing in a repair store and left unsecured for over a year to navigate. There's no corkboard you need with index cards to connect all the players involved. It's right there, on tape, clear as crystal.

One scenario requires threading several needles (with a thread that might not even exist to begin with). The other is a direct A to B effectively a confession. Maybe the Democrats are just that much better at covering their tracks, but that would require a level of competence that the Democrats have never demonstrated.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

Chemi….I know you don’t want to believe it. And you’ll probably deny reality here….go ahead.

The NYT and the FBI have verified that the stuff is REAL….there was no tampering by the computer guy (and they know this because the NYT and FBI have better computer guys than Hunter).

And you may not have Biden trying to instigate an investigation with a foreign nation….you do have about 10 million dollars flowing from Chinese state actors to Hunter and Joe’s brother. This has all been verified. Also verified….Joe Biden set up these chinses contacts/meetings for Hunter, and they flew to China together on (Hunter, Joe, Joe’s brother) Air Force 2.

Those are not disputed facts

Also not disputed….Joe Biden was very soft on Chinese trade during this period

[Nick Pappageorgio]

And maybe it’s more innuendo that actual malice…..but again, there’s more documentation on Hunter’s laptop than was presented during during the entirety of Trump’s first impeachment.

[chemiclord]

I don't believe it because it's bullshit. Your assertions mean absolutely nothing to me, because you have absolutely ZERO credibility. The FBI has been able to verify things that have collaborating evidence (i.e. emails that they can verify from a second source). They actually go to great lengths to SPECIFY they can't verify the entirety of the contents of that hard drive, no matter how much you want to twist the evidence to suit your "both sides" narrative.

But let's take you for your word. Everything on that laptop is 100% legit. That tells us that Hunter Biden tried (and in some cases succeeded) to use his father's name to wedge himself into various business deals. That's shit. Let's throw the book at Hunter Biden for any number of financial crimes (he probably deserves it anyway just from what we can prove he's done without that damn laptop, in all honesty). There's nothing that connects those attempts with his father manipulating anything, in fact, those emails say the exact opposite, that Joe Biden had no interest in following through with those proposals, out of Hunter Biden's own goddamn fingers.

I get that you're desperate to prove your predetermined "both sides are equally bad, so it doesn't matter" nihilistic narrative. But it's not true. It's simply not true.

[froot loops]

Nick is a proud nihilist that has the Trumper talking points memorized. Walter Sobchak had it right.