US Politics - 2020 Presidential Election - GOP v Dem cage fight (ENTER AT YOUR PERIL)

[-Deborah-]

Hey, Malto Marko...hope you are doing well!!

[-Deborah-]

[CGVT]

Haha! I saw that one last week.

[Coop]

Hope your pension doesn’t dry up due to economic collapse. If it does, it just might get your attention. Might have to think a little different. Pick up a badge and find out what it is like to be a police officer......

[CGVT]

I carried a gun and enforced Federal law for the better part of thirty years,

What have you done? Dumbass.

[-Deborah-]

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How does anyone stand by this ?

[chemiclord]

Simple. To Trump's base, their victory scenario is whatever makes liberals mad.

They might CLAIM otherwise... but there's not much else that Trump's presidency can hang its hat on. The only two real "advancements" Trump has made are that he's given people more courage to be openly bigoted, and he gets the left extremely angry. Everything else about his "plans" has been an unmitigated disaster. If you still fervently support Trump and approve of what he's done as President, it's because of either (or both) of those things.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

The reason people stick up for Trump is because it’s a two party system....and the liberal ideology that keeps pushing farther left scares people (socialism, getting rid of the cops, anti-semitism, the destruction of free speech, ect.). But instead of accepting that other people might hold any one of the wide-array of political beliefs that would make you mark the red-side of the ballot.......you labeled them all “deplorable human beings” and “racists”. Yeah, I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t be lining up to listen to you now (snicker).

race really only matters insofar as mechanism to keep the lower classes arguing with each other instead of pointing the finger at them (the rich/elite).

it’s the same reason that liberals convinced themselves Hillary Clinton was a good person before the last election....she is not.

A two party system, with money driving the nomination, is going to continue to nominate the types of candidates that the elite are comfortable with....right/left/democrat/republican simply doesn’t matter. And honestly the ping-pong back and forth Between Republican/Democratic leadership every 4-8 years is just another mechanism that they use to slowly deplete everone’s rights and make sure they’re getting more and more of your money.

and it’s only done to give people the illusion of choice, to give them a sense that your vote counts/your voice matters.......It does not.

Politics is the great jerk-off.....

[chemiclord]

The reason people stick up for Trump is because it’s a two party system....and the liberal ideology that keeps pushing farther left scares people (socialism, getting rid of the cops, anti-semitism, the destruction of free speech, ect.). But instead of accepting that other people might hold any one of the wide-array of political beliefs that would make you mark the red-side of the ballot.......you labeled them all “deplorable human beings” and “racists”. Yeah, I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t be lining up to listen to you now (snicker).

race really only matters insofar as mechanism to keep the lower classes arguing with each other instead of pointing the finger at them (the rich/elite).

it’s the same reason that liberals convinced themselves Hillary Clinton was a good person before the last election....she is not.

A two party system, with money driving the nomination, is going to continue to nominate the types of candidates that the elite are comfortable with....right/left/democrat/republican simply doesn’t matter. And honestly the ping-pong back and forth Between Republican/Democratic leadership every 4-8 years is just another mechanism that they use to slowly deplete everone’s rights and make sure they’re getting more and more of your money.

and it’s only done to give people the illusion of choice, to give them a sense that your vote counts/your voice matters.......It does not.

Politics is the great jerk-off.....

For what it's worth, I specifically said his most fervent supporters. His "base," if you will.

I for one readily acknowledge there is a VERY broad spectrum of people who see Trump as "the lesser evil," and have no small undue reason to think so. I disagree heartily with their logic, but it's still a logical process that I can at least accept.

But the sort of people who "strongly approve" of Trump's presidency so far? Yeah... there's not too many reasons you'd think that way, and none of them are sound.

[Trickalicious]

Answer: LESS political parties. Hillary and Trump should have a baby (assuming Trump's hips are wide enough for childbirth).

[-Deborah-]

The reason people stick up for Trump is because it’s a two party system....and the liberal ideology that keeps pushing farther left scares people (socialism, getting rid of the cops, anti-semitism, the destruction of free speech, ect.). But instead of accepting that other people might hold any one of the wide-array of political beliefs that would make you mark the red-side of the ballot.......you labeled them all “deplorable human beings” and “racists”. Yeah, I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t be lining up to listen to you now (snicker).

race really only matters insofar as mechanism to keep the lower classes arguing with each other instead of pointing the finger at them (the rich/elite).

it’s the same reason that liberals convinced themselves Hillary Clinton was a good person before the last election....she is not.

A two party system, with money driving the nomination, is going to continue to nominate the types of candidates that the elite are comfortable with....right/left/democrat/republican simply doesn’t matter. And honestly the ping-pong back and forth Between Republican/Democratic leadership every 4-8 years is just another mechanism that they use to slowly deplete everone’s rights and make sure they’re getting more and more of your money.

and it’s only done to give people the illusion of choice, to give them a sense that your vote counts/your voice matters.......It does not.

Politics is the great jerk-off.....

Hi, Nick! Hope you are doing well.

I appreciate hearing your point of view regardless if I disagree. When I ask how anyone can stand by this traitorous president, your answer is because he's the lesser of evils? 🙄 I feel that the list you presented (socialism, getting rid of the cops, anti-Semitism, the destruction of free speech) is a bunch of Fox News tenets that are either fabricated, exaggerated, or actually being done by the right (squashing free speech).

Agree totally on the two-party system. :(

[chemiclord]

Eh... I've mentioned this before, but a "multi-party" system is really just a different type of "two-party" system. At the end of the day, the result is nigh exactly the same; you have a majority coalition and a minority one. It merely saves its coalition building for AFTER the general election as opposed to BEFORE in the American system.

And that's not necessarily a good thing; just ask Israel how their last election cycle went. One minority party was able to grind everything to a standstill that required THREE elections that resulted in a very tenuous majority that could literally collapse at any moment and start that entire mess all over again.

The fundamental problem has less to do with the number of parties, and what happens when one or more parties stops acting/arguing in good faith towards what makes a better or stronger nation. The GOP at this moment in time, is acting nigh entirely in bad faith. I'm willing to hear arguments that the Democrats are too (because there are definitely elements that are), but the GOP is the near and present danger to this country's stability.

And before I hear any hurt fee-fees, note that I am specifically saying "GOP," not "conservative." They are NOT inherently the same. There is PLENTY of room in the national discourse for conservative thought. But the Republican Party specifically right now has NO interest in discourse. They are interested in advancing theocracy and/or a monopoly on wealth, depending on the sub-group within.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

Deb.....I don’t subscribe to either party’s madness.

but just the fact that you pass off anything you might see on Fox News as “fabricated....blah..blah”.....means that you’ve bought, whole hog, the left’s message.

everything I listed there are legit concerns of right-sided folks. Like it or not....and sure Fox News exaggerates them (just like CNN does against the “racist“ right). but instead of trying to understand why these are legit concerns To right-minded folks......the first thing you try to do is minimize these concerns like they’re just crazy.

and if these persons attempt any continued debate about why these “fabricated, exaggerated” things scare them.....well then the lefties will just call them racist.

Can I Ask how does your party of choice....put a bunch of anti-semitic socialist women on the cover of time magazine with the title of “shaping the future”. And you’re acting like Fox News made this up? Like it shouldn’t be a real concern? I’ll start by guessing you’re not Jewish.

There is no debate as to if those women (Pelosi excluded) are socialists or anti-semitic

[-Deborah-]

I can't speak to any anti-Semitism claims, I'll admit to being completely ignorant of the Time magazine cover you're referencing. I have not heard of this issue but will make a point to look it up (from a source other than Fox News).

Anyway, I appreciate you sharing your view.

[chemiclord]

Deb.....I don’t subscribe to either party’s madness.

but just the fact that you pass off anything you might see on Fox News as “fabricated....blah..blah”.....means that you’ve bought, whole hog, the left’s message.

everything I listed there are legit concerns of right-sided folks. Like it or not....and sure Fox News exaggerates them (just like CNN does against the “racist“ right). but instead of trying to understand why these are legit concerns To right-minded folks......the first thing you try to do is minimize these concerns like they’re just crazy.

and if these persons attempt any continued debate about why these “fabricated, exaggerated” things scare them.....well then the lefties will just call them racist.

Can I Ask how does your party of choice....put a bunch of anti-semitic socialist women on the cover of time magazine with the title of “shaping the future”. And you’re acting like Fox News made this up? Like it shouldn’t be a real concern? I’ll start by guessing you’re not Jewish.

There is no debate as to if those women (Pelosi excluded) are socialists or anti-semitic

There is really TWO Fox News channels. Their actual "news" programming (stuff they classify as news) is top-notch.

The rest of it, which Fox News labels "entertainment" (and comprises the overwhelming bulk of their programming) is nigh entirely nonsense from top to bottom.