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  • I just popped into this place to see how you were all supporting Goff. The last two weeks have been brutal...but I'd ask you to all go back a few more weeks and look at his performances. His guys have been rescuing a drowning man.

    But I digress, this was the thread that made me post.


    I'm a Jew.

    I'm an agnostic raised in Catholicism but ethnically Jewish on my dad's side....the kids at school knew i was Jewish before I did. It was fucking relentless. One day everything was normal...and then one day in about 5th grade I had to ask my father why everyone was calling me a "dirty Jew" and what the fuck that actually meant. It was a short speech..."We're Jews, we left Germany in the late 1800s....DON"T talk about it" You see...I'm white, but being Jewish means I'm not really white.

    It's hard not to be triggered by what happened on Oct. 7th. Hamas wants a genocide. And so many of my fellow Americans seem to just want to go along with it. Jews have 10,000,000 reasons in our recent past to be wary....I know CGVT thinks this is just some sort of "antisemite card" that's played for convenience, but to us jews....the holocaust wasn't so convenient.

    And the few hundred years of pogroms that preceded them weren't convenient either...it's always amazed me that a riot with the expressed purpose of killing jews was so commonplace that it was given it's own word.

    Let me say that for you again CGVT: 10m dead isn't a convenient "card" to play....it's a genocide that will forever scar and shape the thoughts/feelings of the Jewish people. Entire families and bloodlines were erased from this earth. Sorry if you feel we're being overly-sensitive here....it must be hard for you.

    1,500 innocents dead...not solders. Women, Children, normal people...not solders in a war. Killed for the crime of being Jewish

    1,500 dead....in proportional terms to the US, this would be over 35,000 dead (you see....the events of the last several centuries have cut short the numbers of the Jewish population)...The US lost a fraction of that to 9/11, 12/7/41, and the Gulf of Tonkin...before engaging in decade long wars.

    But as always....The jews should just walk it off. Exercise restraint. And above all....give Hamas time to regroup

    You see the calls of "war crimes" against Israel...but you know what's an actual war crime? Setting up bases of military operations in populated zones (such as Schools, hospitals, ect.) But it's never Hamas' fault for this shit...you never see "War Crimes" attached to that behavior (even though...by the actual rule book, ya know).

    The Hamas Playbook is to set up bases in civilian zones....attack jews from those positions....and then claim war crimes when Israel retaliates. Defending this playbook...by asking for ceasefires or claiming atrocities on the part of the jews....is just being complicit of this playbook. Railing against the jews for civilian casualties while absolving Hamas of responsibility for using the general population as human shields...is being complicit in this playbook.

    People like to complain that the blockade is inhumane.....but all Hamas does is try to import weapons to kill jews. They complain of lack of medical equipment....but everytime the EU gives Palestine an MRI machine....it's dismantled for weapon parts. When they spend billions for water pipes....Hamas removes the pipes to make mortars, and then blames Israel for having no water. How the fuck do you deal with that?

    Saying that jews don't have the same rights to be angry and afraid and to defend themself aggressively....it's antisemitic.

    Complaining that you can't defend Hamas without being called antisemitic is just stupid....Some idiot on this board labeled me as a "Piece of Shit Racist" because I didn't view Flores' firing as complete racism. But defending a group that kills, rapes, and kidnaps innocent civilian jews...while condemning the Jews right to aggressively defend themselves should not be seen as antisemitic? Gimmie a fucking break. Maybe you should do some soul searching on this one.

    To Jews.....this is about our survival. Even if you're an American (or any other country) Jew...Israel's survival is about our right to exist in this world. And many (even on this board) do not think we should exist.

    So you want to know why jews are so passionate this shit....this isn't about racism, or safe-spaces, or micro-aggressions. This is life and death...this is about our right to exist on this planet. So yeah.....you're either with us or against us. HAMAS MUST BE DESTROYED at any and all costs.

    $61 billion in military aid to ukraine....$14b to Israel.....and you guys are here bitching about helping jews. Let's think about where those attitudes come from...are they pro-humanity/anti-war? or are they just anti-jew? I don't see a many posts here bitching about Biden giving aid to Ukraine...only complaining about helping the jews. Far-left leaning democrats...but would rather support the group that subjugates women, wants a genocide, kills homosexuals, kidnaps , rapes, and uses innocents as human shields. Let's think about that...you'll abandon most of your liberal belief system before supporting a jew (that doesn't sound antisemitic at all)

    If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel.-Golda Meir

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    • Yeah, if history has proven anything, it's that Meir's words are only half right. Settlers in the West Bank, for example, use a pause in hostilities to terrorize Palestians, force them out of their homes, and seize their property.

      They do not, and would not, stop if Palestine laid down their weapons.

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      • All 3 Abrahamic religions are based in hate. There will never be peace within those 3 religions.
        Bible is based on Tribal war Gods where Genocide was a basis in their stories.
        When the religion is based on hate the house will be a fortress not a community center.

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        • And let's not overlook that Hamas has control of the Gaza Strip in no small part due to help of Bibi and his Likud Party, who supported and propped them up as an alternative to the Palestinian Authority, arguably to intentionally sabotage any peace process.

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          • Let me say that for you again CGVT: 10m dead isn't a convenient "card" to play....it's a genocide that will forever scar and shape the thoughts/feelings of the Jewish people. Entire families and bloodlines were erased from this earth. Sorry if you feel we're being overly-sensitive here....it must be hard for you.

            FFS. Nobody is saying that the holocaust was convenient, a good thing or anything positive in any way. What I am saying is that because of the atrocities committed against the Jews it is impossible for anyone to criticize what Israel does without being labeled an anti-semite.

            And it as not as simple as Jew=Good and Arab=bad.
            I feel like I am watching the destruction of our democracy while my neighbors and friends cheer it on

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            • No one is saying that Israel should not go after Hamas. What they did was absolutely cowardly. Unless you think all 2.2 million of Gaza residents support Hamas (a near majority weren't even BORN when the last elections back in 2006 were held)then there is majors issues with what Israel is doing.

              You have people in the war government for Israel saying that the people in Gaza are nothing more than human animals. Or saying this is Nakba 2023. Or saying there are no Innocents there.You don't turn off water. Electricity or power on whims.

              Israel says get out of Gaza City go south you will be safe there. Mind you they are still bombing in the south too. Now, they say you know what they are in that area you ran too better leave there because we are going to bomb harder.

              Their intention is pretty clear that they want all Gazans out of the strip. There has been discussions with Egypt about forgiving their debt to Israel if they take in the Palestinians. Egypt has refused so far. That is the long term plan.



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              • There are even reports that their is a huge amount of natural gas found under Gaza.
                I haven’t fact checked it, try to find a truthful source if you can find one, that is rumored to want to fall under Israel and US control.
                Nothing is ever what it seems that is fed to the average citizen. All you’ll ever get is lies and blame.
                I have no hate towards the Jewish person, the Zionism is what gets me worked up.

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                • The Palestinians had nothing to do with the Nazis, shit the Jews don’t even hate Germans, but that can’t stand Palestinian Muslims, or Christians.

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                  • Originally posted by wcfwtf View Post
                    There are even reports that their is a huge amount of natural gas found under Gaza.
                    I haven’t fact checked it, try to find a truthful source if you can find one, that is rumored to want to fall under Israel and US control.
                    Nothing is ever what it seems that is fed to the average citizen. All you’ll ever get is lies and blame.
                    I have no hate towards the Jewish person, the Zionism is what gets me worked up.
                    Yep, I sae those reports along with a report that a high level Biden energy official was there talking about the oil/natural gas there.
                    2012 Detroit Lions Draft: 1) Cordy Glenn G , 2) Brandon Taylor S, 3) Sean Spence olb, 4) Joe Adams WR/KR, 5) Matt McCants OT, 7a) B.J. Coleman QB 7b) Kewshan Martin WR

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                    • Derek Chauvin, the former cop in Minneapolis that murdered George Floyd back in 2020, was just stabbed in Federal prison.

                      "I hope to see the Lions in the Super Bowl before I die"
                      My friend Ken L

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                      • Where are we going; and what's up with this hand basket?

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                        • You go to prison as a Tight End you come out as a Wide Receiver

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                          • Backfield in motion, Baby...
                            Apathetic No More.

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                            • I can't believe this thread was started four years ago, and we are entering an election year now - with campaigning and all that shit. But damn doesn't if feel like we have been in a freak show campaign for like 7 years straight? It is exhausting. I miss when mis-spelling potato, or screaming woohoo in a weird way was the end of candidates. Jaysus!
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                              • Originally posted by dpatnod View Post
                                I can't believe this thread was started four years ago, and we are entering an election year now - with campaigning and all that shit. But damn doesn't if feel like we have been in a freak show campaign for like 7 years straight? It is exhausting. I miss when mis-spelling potato, or screaming woohoo in a weird way was the end of candidates. Jaysus!
                                When "grab'm by the pussy" was leaked, I was like, "Oh ok, so looks like we will have the first female president." Then the country thought it was ok to elect a guy who does x, y, z, and a, b, and c, and break every law on the books. The world was insane long before Covid.
                                "Yeah, we just... we don't want them to go. So that's our motivation."
                                Dan Campbell at Green Bay, January 8, 2023.​

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