US Politics - 2020 Presidential Election - GOP v Dem cage fight (ENTER AT YOUR PERIL)

[-Deborah-]

All you have to do is to affirm that you are not getting a government check as welfare of income. How about you Deb? Do you take money from the government?

Listen to you! All I have to do? I shouldn't have to do anything to be treated respectfully here. No one owes you an accounting of how they make ends meet. And refusing your ridiculous expectation is not confirmation of your baseless theory, either.

But sure, I'll play along this time to show you what a jerk you're being:

It's pretty well known here that I am gainfully employed with one of Michigan's biggest employers. I landed this job after completing my master's degree some time ago. None of my income comes from a government source.

There you go. Happy? I bet you aren't. I bet the litmus test has changed now.

[Marko69]

Curiosity led me to read Numbers Ch. 5.

Other than occasionally reading that the Detroit Lions may have “a chance”, that is the most insane, batshit crazy shit i’ve ever read.

Sounds to me like the jealous dudes who’re accusing their wife’s of wrongdoing and taking them along to the priests to drink the dusty water ——>> need some feckin counselling.

Anyway, thats for a religion thread, apologies if anyone offended.

Back to Orange Jesus Chat.

[Futureshock]

Nothing goes over my head. My reflexes are too fast.

[Futureshock]

They don't pay taxes because of separation of church and state.

Of course, that's the only aspect of that separation that conservatives believe in. They absolutely want the church to dictate how everyone else lives their life. Because they want to be left alone, while refusing to leave anyone else alone.

They are the modern day Pharisees. If you actually read Jesus Christ's teachings, you'd see everything he despises and warns against in the modern GOP.

All their crap.

The TRUE leaders of the Republican party do not give a rats az about religion except that it is a way to tie in votes from the Red Christian-like people and the Catholics, who believe whole heartedly in the Pro-Life movement. If the Catholic church and it's followers changed their stance so would the Party. Because it is not about any of that for them. It is and will always be about not paying their taxes at the same rate as everyone else. Period.

[kreton]

I consider myself to be a theist. I fully believe in God. However, that doesn't mean I believe everything everyone who says anything and prefaces it with"Jesus said". Far too many people call themselves Christians but do nothing to practice actual Christian values. They simply get manipulated into believing things that have nothing to do with religion are religious and that if they don't do everything they can to enforce the views of the political leaders they will burn in hell.

[Da Geezer]

I think it's hard to say as Christ doesn't address one at all (pretty much all the religious law on abortion can only be inferred from the Old Testament, which as I had laid out earlier in this thread probably isn't a good gauge on the topic at all), and rather vaguely on homosexuality. Only the Book of Matthew really mentions it at all, and it's delivered in the context of infidelity, which really only would say that he finds cheating on your spouse with someone of the same gender is just as abhorrent as any adultery. At the very least generous, the only conclusion you can draw from the text is that he considers it a sin, which shouldn't mean much if you're an Evangelical (after all, you were predestined to be saved regardless of your sins in life, and I have yet to find too many Evangelicals that particularly go out of their way to try and not sin).

The Apostle Paul has a lot more to say on the topic, and it is his letters that shape much of the Christian opinion on homosexuality. How valid that is really depends on how much weight you put in Paul's teachings (I, for example, reject pretty much most of Paul's teachings as a pompous, arrogant bigot who co-opted Christianity with his own hangups rather than a purveyor of any divine wisdom).

Personally? I think Christ would be largely indifferent to homosexuality considering he was largely indifferent about it during his life. In regards to abortion, I have no idea, because he offers absolutely no guidance on that score.

This is what the Bible says about homosexuality in Romans 1, v 24

²⁴ Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. ²⁵ They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

²⁶ Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. ²⁷ In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

²⁸ Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. ²⁹ They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, ³⁰ slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; ³¹ they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. ³² Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

To say that Christ does not address homosexuality is not true. Jesus was an itinerant Jewish rabbi in the Pharisee tradition. Multiple times Jesus exhorted his followers to keep the law and the prophets. Homosexuality is considered adultery. The reason Jesus didn't address it specifically was that every Jew knew the law and they knew it was prohibited. He didn't address many things directly (like pornography or transgenderism), but his silence was because everyone he preached to knew the Torah. Jesus was never "indifferent" to sin and homosexuality is sin.

[kreton]

This is what the Bible says about homosexuality in Romans 1, v 24

²⁴ Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. ²⁵ They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

²⁶ Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. ²⁷ In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

²⁸ Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. ²⁹ They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, ³⁰ slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; ³¹ they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. ³² Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

To say that Christ does not address homosexuality is not true. Jesus was an itinerant Jewish rabbi in the Pharisee tradition. Multiple times Jesus exhorted his followers to keep the law and the prophets. Homosexuality is considered adultery. The reason Jesus didn't address it specifically was that every Jew knew the law and they knew it was prohibited. He didn't address many things directly (like pornography or transgenderism), but his silence was because everyone he preached to knew the Torah. Jesus was never "indifferent" to sin and homosexuality is sin.

Well - by your dumbass logic it is the adultery that is wrong not the act. And since you homophobic hypocrites fight to keep them from being married, adultery is not even possible. So assuming that a person is not cheating on their spouse with the same sex (which is wrong), seems good.

Furthermore you people line up and pretend to be Christian while embracing a man who not only openly commits adultury, but actively does it while married, and demanding that people worship him and stealing from the American people. You worship this piece of shit terrorist who actively breaks and flaunts breaking the values that every Christian should hold dear so that you can hate people who are doing nothing wrong. Think about that. You are selling out what you pretend to believe to blindly follow a slum lord reality star turned politician just because he tells you that the hate you ahve for others is ok despite God, Jesus and the bible telling you it isn't.

It is weak minded, pathetic, and sad that you let yourself be manipulated so easily.

[chemiclord]

He doesn't read shit others write. Just like with his tax debate, he goes, "nuh uh" then promptly confirms what I said.

[Da Geezer]

Well - by your dumbass logic it is the adultery that is wrong not the act. And since you homophobic hypocrites fight to keep them from being married, adultery is not even possible. So assuming that a person is not cheating on their spouse with the same sex (which is wrong), seems good.

Furthermore you people line up and pretend to be Christian while embracing a man who not only openly commits adultury, but actively does it while married, and demanding that people worship him and stealing from the American people. You worship this piece of shit terrorist who actively breaks and flaunts breaking the values that every Christian should hold dear so that you can hate people who are doing nothing wrong. Think about that. You are selling out what you pretend to believe to blindly follow a slum lord reality star turned politician just because he tells you that the hate you ahve for others is ok despite God, Jesus and the bible telling you it isn't.

It is weak minded, pathetic, and sad that you let yourself be manipulated so easily.

I'm not sure you can separate adultery from the act of adultery. FYI, I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 because of his reputation. I did vote for him in 2020 because we had a choice of two candidates and I refuse to put the country in the hands of whoever is controlling Biden. Choosing the lesser of two evils is not the same as approval of the evil.
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The reason adultery is considered such a deadly sin is that it harms the family unit. And the family unit is the absolute bedrock of the Christian faith. That is why those who want to destroy our country, like BLM, target the family. They put it on their web page. The Ds as a party are anti-family. Abortion is not only about killing unborn children. It is also about trying to stymie the creation of families. And, of course, Marx said that the nuclear family needed to be "undone" in order for the state to reign supreme. This is also why Christians deplore the sexualization of children with NEA-supported things like Drag Queen Story Hour.
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Speaking of the NEA, Whitney accused me of wanting teachers to be paid minimum wage. I believe teachers should start at about $ 50/hr., but that they should clock in and out. There is nothing radical about believing that. What most folks don't know is that teachers "move up the steps" and get at least two pay raises each year. Some years they get three. I don't agree with good starting pay, but I do disagree with giving teachers a permanent job after two years and ending up paying them well over $ 100,000 for 182 days work.

[Da Geezer]

He doesn't read shit others write. Just like with his tax debate, he goes, "nuh uh" then promptly confirms what I said.

Are you talking about my belief that 501(C)(3) organizations should not use tax-deductible money? I started out by saying I agreed with you and gave my reasons, which were different than yours. Yours only contained the anti-R part.

I carefully read everything you post. I think you are salvageable.

[-Deborah-]

He doesn't read shit others write. Just like with his tax debate, he goes, "nuh uh" then promptly confirms what I said.

Apparently so.

[kreton]

I'm not sure you can separate adultery from the act of adultery. FYI, I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 because of his reputation. I did vote for him in 2020 because we had a choice of two candidates and I refuse to put the country in the hands of whoever is controlling Biden. Choosing the lesser of two evils is not the same as approval of the evil.
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The reason adultery is considered such a deadly sin is that it harms the family unit. And the family unit is the absolute bedrock of the Christian faith. That is why those who want to destroy our country, like BLM, target the family. They put it on their web page. The Ds as a party are anti-family. Abortion is not only about killing unborn children. It is also about trying to stymie the creation of families. And, of course, Marx said that the nuclear family needed to be "undone" in order for the state to reign supreme. This is also why Christians deplore the sexualization of children with NEA-supported things like Drag Queen Story Hour.
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Speaking of the NEA, Whitney accused me of wanting teachers to be paid minimum wage. I believe teachers should start at about $ 50/hr., but that they should clock in and out. There is nothing radical about believing that. What most folks don't know is that teachers "move up the steps" and get at least two pay raises each year. Some years they get three. I don't agree with good starting pay, but I do disagree with giving teachers a permanent job after two years and ending up paying them well over $ 100,000 for 182 days work.

How is a self worshipping adulterous slum lord who hates America the lesser of any two evils? That is stupid. If adultery is a deadly sin why do you embrace Trump but hate homosexuality? Homosexuality is not adultery. It simply isn't. 2 unmarried men or women having a consentual relationship is not adultery.

Abortion has nothing to do with styming the creation of family. Forcing unwed women into keep children they cannot support for their own personal reasons doesn't force them into being a family. If anything it hurts their future chances of having a family. Happily married couples aren't being forced into abortions and generally aren't the ones who need them.

Also you should stop referring to hypocritical hate mongers who force political mantras as religious as Christians. You people aren't. There is nothing Christian about you or your beliefs. You people just use the word because you think if you call yourself that it excuses your hate and makes you a good person. It doesn't. Your hate for people is what it is, and no pretending can change what you are.

[Da Geezer]

How is a self worshipping adulterous slum lord who hates America the lesser of any two evils? That is stupid. If adultery is a deadly sin why do you embrace Trump but hate homosexuality? Homosexuality is not adultery. It simply isn't. 2 unmarried men or women having a consentual relationship is not adultery.

Abortion has nothing to do with styming the creation of family. Forcing unwed women into keep children they cannot support for their own personal reasons doesn't force them into being a family. If anything it hurts their future chances of having a family. Happily married couples aren't being forced into abortions and generally aren't the ones who need them.

Also you should stop referring to hypocritical hate mongers who force political mantras as religious as Christians. You people aren't. There is nothing Christian about you or your beliefs. You people just use the word because you think if you call yourself that it excuses your hate and makes you a good person. It doesn't. Your hate for people is what it is, and no pretending can change what you are.

My goodness. Such anger.

Jesus' views on homosexuality have absolutely nothing to do with Trump other than Trump was a serial adulterer. Chemicord misrepresented Jesus as being basically mum on the issue. That is not true. Don't get mad at me when I post a rather lengthy quote of basic Christian doctrine from the Bible. You are welcome to define adultery any way you choose. I'm giving you the Christian definition.

And a Christian is someone who believes Jesus died and rose from the dead. If you believe that, then his teachings have extra credibility.

[chemiclord]

No, I wasn't. Jesus had very little to say about it. The Apostle Paul does. They aren't the same person.

[Whitley]

You know you think he could actually get my handle right.

Yes there are different pay scales for teachers. Most get a job after getting their 4yr degree which includes student teaching which they pay the school district for that privilege.

When they get get their first teaching job, the district gives them x number of years to get their Master's. If they don't get it in x number of years they could lose their job.

The next level is a PhD, usually people that take this step want to go into the administration side.


I don't know of any school districts that pay their teachers 100k after two years on the job.