Coronavirus Safety Protocol - please read and discuss

[froot loops]

If you want to have an argument on gain of function and it's dangers and effectiveness that's fine. But when you start off the conversation like Anthony Fauci single handedly set up the Wuhan lab as a way to get around a ban, it shows you are not really interested in a logical debate, you are just mainlining Tucker Carlson or OANN into your veins.

[edindetroit]

The measures taken saved lives. They don't really allow cameras in hospitals, so when you are sitting at home in lockdown, you didn't see the carnage in the hospitals, so it wasn't real to people.

My niece is a nurse and saw it first hand and still refuses to get vaccinated.

[froot loops]

She's not the only nurse with that stance.

[jaadam4]

You Trump supporters are something else.

And we see how the “everyone else” method worked? Say whatever you will about him personally as he comes off as an asshole but he was getting stuff done and the economy was strong.

Even when Joe Biden could think for himself he was a joke of a politician.

[chemiclord]

What the hell did Trump get done as President? Seriously. What the fuck do you think he did? Congress passed one tax cut for the wealthy, and then they did fuck all the rest of his term.

Unless you think inciting a mob to raid the Capitol was "getting stuff done," which... I guess. Though it reflected his time as President; a bunch of bluster, a bunch of noise, and ineffectual haphazard execution that only left a mess behind and accomplished exactly none of his goals.

I think the sun down there in SA is giving you sunstroke. Because you're delusional.

[chemiclord]

Now here's what I'll say. Anyone who says any President has gotten much of anything done in this political climate is absolutely fooling themselves. When you have a population evenly split with a political system that effectively allows 41% of one house to grind everything to a halt (aka the Senate), you're going to be hard pressed to find any executive in the White House being able to accomplish much of his plans.

[froot loops]

Don't sell him short Chemiclord, Trump and his minions were able to unite the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys to forment an attack on the capitol. That's exactly what the supporters want, they are fighters! Stop the steal! For the Trumpers, the violence is the juice.

[jaadam4]

I work in parts of the DoD and DoS. When Trump was elected things started happening at an insanely rapid pace like I’ve never seen before for an incoming president. Say what you want about the man but he ran the country as well as humanly possible with both parties waging war against him.

On top of that you have the media blistering the commander in chief on a daily basis. He was set to lose from get go. The United States is a joke right now. Everyone worries about putting someone down and arguing for the sake of arguing.

There’s little to no patriotic feeling to the US anymore. Even tho I have a complete distaste for Biden and think his whole career is a sham, if he had a brain cell left I’d still back him as our leader.

[jaadam4]

Don't sell him short Chemiclord, Trump and his minions were able to unite the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys to forment an attack on the capitol. That's exactly what the supporters want, they are fighters! Stop the steal! For the Trumpers, the violence is the juice.

Do you believe Biden is a good leader?

[TheLondonLion]

If you want to have an argument on gain of function and it's dangers and effectiveness that's fine. But when you start off the conversation like Anthony Fauci single handedly set up the Wuhan lab as a way to get around a ban, it shows you are not really interested in a logical debate, you are just mainlining Tucker Carlson or OANN into your veins.

Again, literally no one here has ever said this.

[froot loops]

Do you believe Biden is a good leader?

He's a better leader than Trump unless you want to lead a mob to try and sack the capitol, then Trump is your guy.

[Futureshock]

It’s pretty clearly explained actually. And no, literally no one has said that or anything close.

There doesn't, but some people seem REALLY invested in prescribing some malevolent intent. For example... just read the comment above this.

If China wanted to kill the elderly and immuno compromised, they wouldn't need to cook a virus to do it. They'd just... do it, kinda like what they are doing to Muslim populations within their borders.

I'll ask the same question I have been asking for nearly 2.5 years. WHY?

Why would anyone purposely release this disease upon the world? It's not logical and the Chinese are not as dumb as their accusers, present company excluded.

All I do know is that the oversight was cancelled by the orange dude and said it was unnecessary. Then it was too late.

[TheLondonLion]

No one here is saying they intentionally released it.

What people are saying is that creating highly virulent mutant viruses and trying to culture them with human cells for “research” is extremely dangerous because you have a nightmare on your hands if the man-made, or man-manipulated pathogen ever gets out of the laboratory.

[froot loops]

In this thread, one of the Trumpers is talking about prosecuting Fauci if the Trumpers win in the fall.

[Futureshock]

Don't sell him short Chemiclord, Trump and his minions were able to unite the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys to forment an attack on the capitol. That's exactly what the supporters want, they are fighters! Stop the steal! For the Trumpers, the violence is the juice.

And took up for every racist that did anything, or said anything racist. Empowering them to be even more outwardly racist. Empowering Pseudo-KKK groups like the proud boys to be his army. Run over groups of people or have a Racist rally? "Oh those are good people."

It is hilarious you talk about dissention and a lack of civility. Where do you think that came/comes from? The Left is too civil and don't even understand when they're in a fight at times. The Right are uniform and rigid and anyone that doesn't toe the line is a dirty liberal until they toe 100% of the line. I remember a guy that was a lifer Republican who was very outspoken about his love for the party and disliked almost everything Democratic. Then one day he said he didn't feel that Clinton shouldn't be impeached because of the effect it would have on the office and the country. He told me some of his fellow party members said he was a liberal and not a true Republican. I couldn't understand why it meant so much to him, but, he was hurt by that.

Some people do not understand that this isn't a sporting event. It is ok to call out these politicians. Even if it is from your party. Especially if it is hurting our country.

Trump moved the country. Backwards.

As much as I am critical about Biden, I would still take him before a Traitor. I absolutely still can not believe that happened and they pretty much got away with it. And they justify some poor slob just trying to make ends meet and take care of his family and some az hat coward kills him because him 'fraid. No gun, no nothing. And it continues.

It is some real bullshit going on in this country right now and I see no way forward because the right, led by the orange traitor, are rigid, wrong and relentless. What is the end result these people are working towards?