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[froot loops]

I guess it's fair to say he's serving his people - those who are working in a dying coal industry. But my opinion is that he's serving them merely by coincidence, since he's the guy who made millions in the coal industry and has a vested interest in it continuing.

I don't feel anyone should be blindly accepting anyone's agenda. I do feel if you have a (D) next to your name, that there are certain principles for which you are in agreeance, and it seems like Manchin continually opposes these. I don't like that one bozo from WV has this much power and I do think he gets off on it, bigtime.

Like I said before you need a lot more Manchins even if they are all annoying in unique ways. Going into 2020 the Senate had a +6 R favor. That means the median state was Georgia and Trump won it by 6 percentage points. Right now it looks like it has a +3 R because the median state was Florida and Trump won it by 3 percentage points. If you want to get to 55 or even 60 senators like Obama did for a short window you need a lot of candidates that have different views. If the principles or purity test to be a Democrat is too big, the Democrats would be a permanent minority in the Senate. Right now they are only 3 senators right in states won by Trump: Tester in Montana, Brown in Ohio and Manchin in West Virginia. I can see that Manchin is frustrating, but it's better to be frustrated by him and have the majority than be rid of him and be in the minority.

The common principles you want have to be small enough that a candidate can adhere to and still be competitive in states like Iowa, Ohio, Texas, Florida and North Carolina.

[-Deborah-]

Isn’t voting on certain principals a certain way just because you have a D next to your name blindly accepting?

Sure, but that's not quite what I mean. I do feel everyone has a right and a duty to vote their conscience and I do feel there is middle ground within the party. I don't see what JM is doing as an effort to change the principles of his party though. Maybe I'm not exposed to enough of a sample set to judge as I don't follow this stuff that closely.

If the science shows that a trans woman/girl is equal to other women/girls their age after a certain point in their transition, I would support their participation in competitive sports. Because if my child decided to transition, I would want them to have as full of a life as possible, including competing in sports.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

I agree with Froot’s assessment.

I’d like to see more moderate wild-card types on both sides….a group that would stick together from time to time

[-Deborah-]

When you charge your electric battery your getting energy from sources that are powered by coal😂

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[-Deborah-]

There needs to be and will be more progress made, hopefully politicians on both sides can see that. Michigan has a way to go, btw.

[CGVT]

Are EVs Charged Mostly By Coal Power in the US? | EVAdoption

Wait! What!? Facts will only cloud his mind

[froot loops]

There needs to be and will be more progress made, hopefully politicians on both sides can see that. Michigan has a way to go, btw.

Progress comes incrementally and recently with the Roe reversal sometimes you have to solidify the progress that has happened. Gay marriage, interracial marriage, contraception along with abortion rights are on the table. While they have the majorities in both houses, they need to get everyone on record if they can't get it into law.

[wcfwtf]

When you plug in you are tapping into the resources of the building to transfer the energy.
those buildings are deriving their energy more then likely from coal plants.
unless it’s Nuclear energy I guess.

[chemiclord]

I think the majority of energy producing plants are natural gas at this point rather than coal.

Which isn't much better, but the fact remains that coal is dying as a fuel source, and why West Virginia is in such a state. They're going to have to change to survive, because it's not "green activism" that's killing coal; it's the same free markets that they claim to love oh so very much.

EDIT: I am partly wrong, partly right. Natural gas isn't a majority (it's only about 40%), but coal is at about 20% and steadily dropping.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverstein/2022/03/14/with-coal-on-the-way-out-policymakers-have-their-eye-on-natural-gas/?sh=3b6d69964d50

[froot loops]

There isn't going to be one day when people turn off all fossil fuels, they will gradually go down. The answer is increase the available energy to be able to ween off the fossil fuels but they are still going to be around. They have to keep on working to increase the renewables. You see with these gas prices and how these huge upswings in price is a multiplier in inflation. The best bet is not to be so reliant on it. But we are reliant on them right now and to make progress you have to deal with that reality.

[dpatnod]

I think the majority of energy producing plants are natural gas at this point rather than coal.

Which isn't much better, but the fact remains that coal is dying as a fuel source, and why West Virginia is in such a state. They're going to have to change to survive, because it's not "green activism" that's killing coal; it's the same free markets that they claim to love oh so very much.

EDIT: I am partly wrong, partly right. Natural gas isn't a majority (it's only about 40%), but coal is at about 20% and steadily dropping.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilv...h=3b6d69964d50

Yeah, you libs are always talking about your 'facts', and 'reality'. Fact is, there is no new technology. FACT!

The world is the same as it was 20 years ago! Nothing is gonna change, Dagnabit! Your solar panels and hydro-electric and wind and gravity batteries nonsense should just quit. Let us burn this mutha down because Freedumb! We can subsidize coal, SMART GUY! That'll show you. Power, for a man, comes from burnin' something! Why would you work towards something with no fuel involved? It's just stupid. That's why the 45 year old Voyager crafts have V-8's. Duh!!!!!

[Futureshock]

Wait! What!? Facts will only cloud his mind

He won't listen.

Nothing goes unchallenged. Nothing is accepted contrary to his narratives. The Lions will be champions before that ever happens.

I have a 1% belief that people will stop being foolish as they are. Turn away from lies and embrace facts. Hardcore unadultrated truth that comes from actions and results. Not because it came off someone's lips. But no. And it's too many people and they co-sign each other. So much so, when they talk to someone not bathing in that Fox-OANN talking points like they do, they can't believe the rest of us are so uninformed. Because, let's face it, if Tucker Carlson says it, it must be. I digress.

The point is that people are entrenched and no one. NO ONE. seems to be able to say, "I was wrong." You were wrong; They are wrong, etc.... freely get thrown out. And I am not just talking politics on this point. It's so weak to be scared to say when you're wrong.

[Da Geezer]

Are EVs Charged Mostly By Coal Power in the US? | EVAdoption

Deb, posting an article from a lobbying firm dedicated to the adoption of EVs is mere propaganda. The coal industry could manipulate data to prove that coal power is less harmful to the planet than solar or wind. Neither is reality.

What is powerful is that China (and to a lesser extent India) is putting in massive numbers of coal-fired generation facilities. If you believe in the "rationale" for the massively overpriced EVs, then what are you doing about China and India? All this green energy nonsense just guarantees that our political enemies have better and more reliable power grids than we do.

Why not begin to build new nuclear plants at a cost of pennies on the dollar versus the price of "resetting" the entire economy?

Why not boycott China until they behave more responsively toward global warming.?

Why has the US, alone among the Paris Climate Treaty signatories, met the goals set out in that accord? Well, it is about fracking natural gas, isn't it? Europe has massive quantities of natural gas reserves readily available, but the Green movement in the EU has stopped fracking. Does it bother you at all that the Greens, both here and there, are funded primarily by China and Russia?

[Da Geezer]

Since this is the Corona Virus Safety Protocol thread, what should we think about the Chairman coming down with Covid? He had both shots and two additional boosters, but he came down with it anyway. I've had the same 4-shot regimen. My wife has never had the shot. Neither of us has gotten Covid.

How many of you have had Covid? Did anyone here get Covid after having the shots? I wonder how many people have actually had covid, now after over two years. In my experience, I know hundreds of people who had Covid. Most compare it to the flu.

I'm not sure that we should be drumming men out of the military for not taking the shots when we are having trouble recruiting. I wonder if the air traffic system would be better off not firing pilots and other workers for refusing the vax. Same with the ports on the west coast. They are woefully short-staffed because Chairman Joe decided to pay the longshoremen $ 15.00 per hour to not work. How is that working out?

To me, it is becoming obvious that we should not have shut the country down circa May of 2020. There were proposals from the private sector to focus on protecting the most vulnerable, mostly the old. This would have involved tough quarantine measures, keeping the vulnerable totally out of the economy for long periods. It would have also involved leaving the economy open to those 18-60 years old who were not at risk. It certainly would have meant keeping schools open throughout.

[chemiclord]

Whenever you have virulent airborne viruses, it is always going to be a tough challenge to stamp it out, especially one that has the sort of asymptomatic carriers like SARS-COV2 had, and especially so when a country's leadership convinces roughly half of a population that it's not serious. In that respect, we were lucky that Covid wasn't that particularly deadly.

The rest of your political axe to grind is just nonsense.