Coronavirus Safety Protocol - please read and discuss

[JGSpartan]

If there was indeed a human factor involved in the release and spread of COVID-19, then indeed we do need to know.
Either to understand the protocols needed to be implemented to keep it from happening again in an unintentional event
OR
To deal with those responsible for it's intentional release.

At the end of the day you'd hope this all comes out in the wash. Sad thing is with politics involved, that can be a muddy affair.

In a perfect world, sure, knowing let's you do that perfectly. However, you could and SHOULD already be planning for such things and covering your bases already. You can't just force China to allow you to punish those responsible. You can't force them to follow what you think are proper protocols. China and other countries including the US aren't stupid and will all take their own precautions to prevent lab leaks whether it was the cause or not.

From the standpoint of the US pressing the issue really has no positive outcome. It has very clear bad ones like smooth brains committing more hate crimes against Asian-Americans or tensions worsening already strained trade relationships which will hurt the citizenry.

[dpatnod]

Reality wants a word.

- COVID 19 doesn’t infect animals very well and in fact is unable to infect even bats.

67 percent of white-tailed deer tested in Michigan had COVID-19 antibodies

https://www.nbc15.com/2021/08/10/67-...19-antibodies/

Here's why Denmark culled 17 million minks and now plans to dig up their buried bodies. The Covid mink crisis, explained

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/animal-...plans-n1249610

Can the virus spread from mink farms to the community?

• Yes. That’s been shown. It’s rare in the grand scheme of human COVID-19, but it has happened.

Can the virus spread from farmed mink to wildlife or other animals?

• When SARS-CoV-2 is present on a farm, there could be exposure of a range of wildlife that may come and go from the property through contact with mink feces (which fall through the animals’ cages and accumulate under them) or from aerosol exposure (e.g. virus in dust particles within the animal sheds). There’s also the potential for exposure of farm animals (farm dogs, barn cats). Transmission to farm dogs and cats has been identified.

https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/20...k-and-ferrets/

I am pretty sure that dogs, cats, ferrets, minks, and deer are all animals. Also infected: Lions, Leopards,

Recent experimental research shows that many mammals, including cats, dogs, bank voles, ferrets, fruit bats, hamsters, mink, pigs, rabbits, racoon dogs, tree shrews, and white-tailed deer can be infected with the virus. Cats, ferrets, fruit bats, hamsters, racoon dogs, and white-tailed deer can also spread the infection to other animals of the same species in laboratory settings.

.... Rhesus macaques, cynomolgus macaques, baboons, grivets, and common marmosets can become infected with SARS-CoV-2 and become sick in a laboratory setting. There is some evidence suggesting that laboratory mice, which could not be infected with original strains of SARS-CoV-2, can be infected with new virus variants.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...g/animals.html

I am pretty sure fruit bats are in fact, bats.



Anything else you’d like to be wrong about?

[froot loops]

Human nature hasn't changed that much in 100 years, you are awfully naive if you think it has. As Fraquar states, China did report it. You are making the mistake of equating reporting it with allowing investigators from a foreign entity carte blanche to investigate everything.

If the shoe was on the other foot and something looked like it started in Britain or the US, you are fooling yourself if you think guys like Donald Trump Junior or a Brexiteer would welcome Chinese investigators or bureaucrats from an international agency free reign.

This isn't an episode of Law and Order: CDC where they figure out whodunnit by the end of the hour. The time horizon on finding out the origin of it is much larger than most people are going to like. They are still unsure of where the Spanish Flu originated, this latest pandemic has revived interest in the Russian Flu of 1889, there are some scholars who now believe that instead of it being a flu based pandemic, that it was a coronavirus based pandemic. Regardless, there was no Russian lab leak then to cause that deadly outbreak.

The fact is we are likely not going to find the smoking gun. It could have been the wet markets like you said, or it could have been a lab leak like you said or it could be something else. It is a worthy investigation, but you have to be comfortable with the fact that it might never be solved even if every actor freely gave investigators all access.

[dpatnod]

Plus, you know, worrying about how to go about eradicating it might be the better thing to focus on. That would be a good start. Then we could launch Law and Order: WHO, after we stop the plague from wiping out the species..

This is how you get all the foxhppers, who can have their pathogen, and eat it too.

[froot loops]

Indeed

[dpatnod]

That was 100 years ago during a war. Not comparable to today.

Obviously. Because we are living in a Star Trek utopia now. People are no longer stupid phucks. Misinformation would never happen today. We are wayyyyyyyyy too refined for such nonsense. We shed our worst tendancies in the last generation. Out of the thousands before, it was the last one that did it. We're cured. No longer apes wearing shoes. I mean point me to one example where........

[TheLondonLion]

Reality wants a word.



67 percent of white-tailed deer tested in Michigan had COVID-19 antibodies

https://www.nbc15.com/2021/08/10/67-...19-antibodies/

Here's why Denmark culled 17 million minks and now plans to dig up their buried bodies. The Covid mink crisis, explained

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/animal-...plans-n1249610

Can the virus spread from mink farms to the community?

• Yes. That’s been shown. It’s rare in the grand scheme of human COVID-19, but it has happened.

Can the virus spread from farmed mink to wildlife or other animals?

• When SARS-CoV-2 is present on a farm, there could be exposure of a range of wildlife that may come and go from the property through contact with mink feces (which fall through the animals’ cages and accumulate under them) or from aerosol exposure (e.g. virus in dust particles within the animal sheds). There’s also the potential for exposure of farm animals (farm dogs, barn cats). Transmission to farm dogs and cats has been identified.

https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/20...k-and-ferrets/

I am pretty sure that dogs, cats, ferrets, minks, and deer are all animals. Also infected: Lions, Leopards,

Recent experimental research shows that many mammals, including cats, dogs, bank voles, ferrets, fruit bats, hamsters, mink, pigs, rabbits, racoon dogs, tree shrews, and white-tailed deer can be infected with the virus. Cats, ferrets, fruit bats, hamsters, racoon dogs, and white-tailed deer can also spread the infection to other animals of the same species in laboratory settings.

.... Rhesus macaques, cynomolgus macaques, baboons, grivets, and common marmosets can become infected with SARS-CoV-2 and become sick in a laboratory setting. There is some evidence suggesting that laboratory mice, which could not be infected with original strains of SARS-CoV-2, can be infected with new virus variants.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...g/animals.html

I am pretty sure fruit bats are in fact, bats.



Anything else you’d like to be wrong about?

It’s “rare” because it doesn’t spread “very well” amongst animals, nor make them particularly sick but is absolutely incredible at spreading through human beings.

That’s what you’d expect of a genuine zoonotic disease - something which struggles to adapt to new hosts without significant mutation. Where did that mutation happen?

In the Petri dishes of the big fucking bat coronavirus lab on the very doorstep of the outbreak (what are the odds!) of this disease or in “nature”?

These are questions I’d like properly looked at in rather more detail over two years into a deadly pandemic (which I’ve said should be the first priority). That doesn’t mean the origins should barely be a priority.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...s-in-wuhan-lab - this for example, is totally unacceptable.


Science has clearly not done a great job of oversight of itself here. Gain of function research into viruses is genuinely dangerous and the response from parts of the scientific community has been to double down on collecting more wild viruses to take to yet more laboratories.

The scientists who do this kind of research argue that we can better anticipate deadly diseases by making diseases deadlier in the lab. But many people at the time and since have become increasingly convinced that the potential research benefits — which look limited — just don’t outweigh the risks of kicking off the next deadly pandemic ourselves.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...ey-should-stop

[Marko69]

Jaysus fucking Christ……. This Rona conv is heading the same way as the ULF conv few years back. Is this how Americans talk to each other at Tailgates? “Anything else you want to be wrong about?” 🤦♂️
Might as well say tatty bye to TLL now! C’ya dude.

Really guys, correspond like yer doon the boozer FFS!

P and S…….. TLL, stop giving too much of a shit about the Lions as well. They’re absolute fucking shite. They are the equivalent of an American travelling to London and being a QPR fan. They SUCK.

[TheLondonLion]

Way tae fuck ye radge!

[chemiclord]

Obviously. Because we are living in a Star Trek utopia now. People are no longer stupid phucks. Misinformation would never happen today. We are wayyyyyyyyy too refined for such nonsense. We shed our worst tendancies in the last generation. Out of the thousands before, it was the last one that did it. We're cured. No longer apes wearing shoes. I mean point me to one example where........

Well, 100 years ago, it'd be a lot easier to cover up the origins of a pandemic, especially if you were the cause.

Nowadays? Not so much. If there had been any knowledge that something had escaped from a viral research lab, something about it would have slipped. There are simply too many people with too much access to uncurated methods of communication for something like that to be covered up for terribly long.

Sure, that doesn't preclude the possibility that something like SARS-COV-2 leaked unintentionally without anyone's knowledge at the time... but that's not generally the conclusion people are looking to reach when they try to advance the lab leak theory.

[froot loops]

I keep on waiting for QPR to get back up. They have a chance this year.

[CGVT]

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[froot loops]

To me the gain of function research seems problematic, but I don't know enough about it to have a firm opinion. The argument seems like a red herring to me, a lab leak doesn't have to come from something genetically modified, it could just be an actual lab leak. There was a smallpox lab leak in Great Britain in 1978, thankfully it only affected one person. The was a potential lab leak in the US of small pox in 2014, there were just vials lying around found in a cardboard box when the lab was moving locations.

[Marko69]

Looking good, Bimmer!


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[chemiclord]

To me the gain of function research seems problematic, but I don't know enough about it to have a firm opinion. The argument seems like a red herring to me, a lab leak doesn't have to come from something genetically modified, it could just be an actual lab leak. There was a smallpox lab leak in Great Britain in 1978, thankfully it only affected one person. The was a potential lab leak in the US of small pox in 2014, there were just vials lying around found in a cardboard box when the lab was moving locations.

Oh no, it absolutely doesn't have to be engineered to be a lab leak.

The reason I take issue with the "lab leak" theory is that it was first advanced by people with an agenda; that being they benefit by having as much saber rattling between the U.S. and China as possible. There's no evidence whatsoever that SARS-COV-2 was modified or engineered, and all evidence that suggests it was completely natural in its evolution. Could it have escaped the Wuhan Institute of Virology? Yeah. There's certainly evidence of such mistakes being made all throughout the world!

But that's what it would have been; a mistake. An accident with a virus that was completely natural in origin collected in a region notorious for those sort of viruses, and especially the exact family of virus that SARS-COV-2 came from. And in that sense, it was more a matter of when this coronavirus found its way into the general human population rather than if or how.

But that's not the conclusion the general thrust of "lab leak" advocates want you to reach. They want you to reach the conclusion that China was working on viruses to attack the Western world in their super secret lab.