Michigan Football Off Season Discussion - Page 3

Optimus Prime · January 22nd, 2012, 03:51 PM

Stonum is heading back to jail, up to 93 days for latest parole violation. His life is in crisis but somehow his commitment to academics runs like clockwork? I suppose if he enrolls at OSU ASAP, he can still graduate while in prison.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...ng-day-by-day-

SeattleLionsFan · January 22nd, 2012, 07:24 PM

It doesn't say that. It says driving with a suspended license carries a penalty of up to 93 days in jail. And he faces trial for driving with a suspended license.

Optimus Prime · January 22nd, 2012, 08:06 PM

I guess your glass is half-full.....good luck, habitual offenders while on probation, Like I said, Stonum IS heading back to jail.

Pasadena Blue · January 22nd, 2012, 08:58 PM

Did anyone know this?

I had no idea JoePa helped get Carr hired.

http://www.freep.com/article/2012012...football-coach

SeanB · January 22nd, 2012, 09:13 PM

I posted this somewhere else, and I will always stand by it:

"Call me cold-hearted, but any man who is complicit, whether directly or otherwise, in a child sexual abuse scandal of any kind will not be missed by me. Regardless of how "fine" a football coach he may have been. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. Somehow, I doubt it."

Not trying to be an asshole. It's just how I feel about crimes like that against children. I firmly believe Paterno knew far more than he ever admitted. We may never know, I suppose.

Chuck Mallory · January 23rd, 2012, 06:54 AM

Nice read PB. I know that Michigan wanted to hire Paterno in '69 but had to settle for some guy named Bo.

Jeff Buchanan · January 23rd, 2012, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeanB

I posted this somewhere else, and I will always stand by it:

"Call me cold-hearted, but any man who is complicit, whether directly or otherwise, in a child sexual abuse scandal of any kind will not be missed by me. Regardless of how "fine" a football coach he may have been. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. Somehow, I doubt it."

Not trying to be an asshole. It's just how I feel about crimes like that against children. I firmly believe Paterno knew far more than he ever admitted. We may never know, I suppose.

This.

Returning today via Miami airport. Walk in and Paterno's smiling face is on the TV with commentary singing praise to him. Not to be cynical but this seems like a purposely crafted PR effort with PSU in the lead to put the Sandusky mess behind them.

People there, including Paterno, knew.

F' them.

I'd like the press to run some stories on the victims just to frame Joe's death in the proper context.

paul daugherity · January 23rd, 2012, 08:35 AM

Agree with Jeff B. and Sean B. I can't wax poetic about Paterno when there is evidence that he knew what was going on with Sandusky and was complicit in a university wide cover up. I can't stand listening to the idiot ESPN commentators saying he didn't deserve to be fired. Ditka was who I heard before turning the channel in disgust. Yes, Joe got exactly what he deserved. Those kids and their families did not.

And thank god UM didn't land Paterno. There is a crazy cult of personality with him out there. Listening to some PSU'ers reinforces it. It is a little unsettling.

lineygoblue · January 23rd, 2012, 08:56 AM

I'll probably take a little flak here but here goes anyway.

I don't think that Paterno knew about Sandusky's crimes over the long term. I believe he became aware of them when he was told by the assistant coach. This is where Paterno made his big mistake. I think quite possibly he was torn between doing the right thing, or protecting a friend. So, he chose what was (for him) the next best thing, and turned it over to the campus police. He figured that if the campus police felt it was serious enough, they'd go after Sandusky. He then washed his hands of the deal, never followed up, and figured he did everything he was supposed to do. Of course, he was wrong.

If anyone feels the necessity to blame someone for the tarnished image of Joe Paterno, they need look no further than the doorstep of Jerry Sandusky. If Sandusky had any decency, he'd plead guilty and use his legal team to negotiate where he's going to be incarcerated for the rest of his life.

whodean · January 23rd, 2012, 09:25 AM

I'm with you liney, Sandusky in the villain, JoePa is another one of his victims.

Died of a broken heart.

SeattleLionsFan · January 23rd, 2012, 09:37 AM

I think Paterno is also of a generation that misunderstands the nature of pedophilia and thinks that someone will stop after getting caught.

Paul L · January 23rd, 2012, 10:22 AM

To paint Paterno as a victim is a slap in the face to the "true" victims and their families.

WM Wolverine · January 23rd, 2012, 10:32 AM

We really have no idea how much Paterno knew so its tough to say how 'guilty' he is. I take much more issue with how little was done after Paterno turned what he knew to the campus police. Many places along the line, this got swept under the rug and a lot of people at PSU should be in major trouble; Paterno is likely one of the many among the PSU administration.

Jamie H · January 23rd, 2012, 12:16 PM

Lots of people dropped the ball. Paterno was just the most well known of those people.

DennisT · January 23rd, 2012, 12:21 PM

I think there was probably more to it than protecting a friend. I suspect protecting the image of the university and himself weighed into it.

JRB · January 23rd, 2012, 05:38 PM

Spencer Hall's take on Joe Paterno at EDSBS...

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-footbal...state-football

Mackenzie · January 23rd, 2012, 05:39 PM

I really enjoyed watching Brady and the Pats run a no huddle offense. Seems like teams who can do this well have somewhat of an advantage. Once Hoke get his team in place do you think he and/or Borges will have the inclination to make this an integral part of the offense. Not sure if SDSU ran much of a no-huddle.

Chuck Mallory · January 23rd, 2012, 06:42 PM

I doubt it. Coach Hoke wants a team that slows the game down and keeps the opposing offense off the field using a power run game and a good defense.

Mike · January 24th, 2012, 03:10 AM

Don't make the mistake of thinking Paterno passed along McQueary's information to campus police. He told the adminstrator who oversaw the campus police about what McQueary told him. As I understand it he did NOT notify police. To me there is a huge distiction between notifying the police and a PSU administrator. The former implies a greater interest in justice for the victims, the latter implies CYA while protecting your friend. Personally, I'm a bit disgusted by the positive attention his death has attracted. If I hear one more person extol the virtues of JoePa and his "life lessons" my head might explode. That's like saying "other than the double murders, OJ was a hell of a guy!".

Died of a broken heart... my ass. He was an 85 year-old man with lung cancer. That's what happens. I guess by "broken heart" Millen meant stress over being fired, publicly humiliated, and facing possible criminal prosecution that probably hastened his demise.

paul daugherity · January 24th, 2012, 05:53 AM

Not to mention that at least 1 of the 2 administrators to whom he reported what McQuery told him was one of his former players. So in that instance, you have to ask yourself who was really in control? Or who was really reporting to whom?

January 22nd, 2012, 07:24 PM	#42
SeattleLionsFan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,523	It doesn't say that. It says driving with a suspended license carries a penalty of up to 93 days in jail. And he faces trial for driving with a suspended license. __________________ To be a professional means that you don't die. - Takeru "the Tsunami" Kobayashi

January 23rd, 2012, 08:56 AM	#49
lineygoblue Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Owosso, MI Posts: 5,352	I'll probably take a little flak here but here goes anyway. I don't think that Paterno knew about Sandusky's crimes over the long term. I believe he became aware of them when he was told by the assistant coach. This is where Paterno made his big mistake. I think quite possibly he was torn between doing the right thing, or protecting a friend. So, he chose what was (for him) the next best thing, and turned it over to the campus police. He figured that if the campus police felt it was serious enough, they'd go after Sandusky. He then washed his hands of the deal, never followed up, and figured he did everything he was supposed to do. Of course, he was wrong. If anyone feels the necessity to blame someone for the tarnished image of Joe Paterno, they need look no further than the doorstep of Jerry Sandusky. If Sandusky had any decency, he'd plead guilty and use his legal team to negotiate where he's going to be incarcerated for the rest of his life. __________________ "Ability may get you to the top, but it takes character to keep you there." - John Wooden

January 23rd, 2012, 09:25 AM	#50
whodean Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SEC Country (don't hold it against me) Posts: 3,585	I'm with you liney, Sandusky in the villain, JoePa is another one of his victims. Died of a broken heart. __________________ Atlanta, GA

January 23rd, 2012, 09:37 AM	#51
SeattleLionsFan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 20,523	I think Paterno is also of a generation that misunderstands the nature of pedophilia and thinks that someone will stop after getting caught. __________________ To be a professional means that you don't die. - Takeru "the Tsunami" Kobayashi

January 23rd, 2012, 10:22 AM	#52
Paul L Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southeast, MI Posts: 1,720	To paint Paterno as a victim is a slap in the face to the "true" victims and their families. __________________ Repugnant is the creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.

January 22nd, 2012, 03:51 PM	#41
Optimus Prime Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Coconut Grove, Florida Posts: 2,595	Stonum is heading back to jail, up to 93 days for latest parole violation. His life is in crisis but somehow his commitment to academics runs like clockwork? I suppose if he enrolls at OSU ASAP, he can still graduate while in prison. http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...ng-day-by-day-

January 22nd, 2012, 08:06 PM	#43
Optimus Prime Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Coconut Grove, Florida Posts: 2,595	I guess your glass is half-full.....good luck, habitual offenders while on probation, Like I said, Stonum IS heading back to jail.

January 22nd, 2012, 08:58 PM	#44
Pasadena Blue Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 861	Did anyone know this? I had no idea JoePa helped get Carr hired. http://www.freep.com/article/2012012...football-coach

January 22nd, 2012, 09:13 PM	#45
SeanB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Saline, MI Posts: 784	I posted this somewhere else, and I will always stand by it: "Call me cold-hearted, but any man who is complicit, whether directly or otherwise, in a child sexual abuse scandal of any kind will not be missed by me. Regardless of how "fine" a football coach he may have been. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. Somehow, I doubt it." Not trying to be an asshole. It's just how I feel about crimes like that against children. I firmly believe Paterno knew far more than he ever admitted. We may never know, I suppose.

January 23rd, 2012, 06:54 AM	#46
Chuck Mallory Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: North Carolina Posts: 891	Nice read PB. I know that Michigan wanted to hire Paterno in '69 but had to settle for some guy named Bo.

January 23rd, 2012, 08:35 AM	#48
paul daugherity Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 123	Agree with Jeff B. and Sean B. I can't wax poetic about Paterno when there is evidence that he knew what was going on with Sandusky and was complicit in a university wide cover up. I can't stand listening to the idiot ESPN commentators saying he didn't deserve to be fired. Ditka was who I heard before turning the channel in disgust. Yes, Joe got exactly what he deserved. Those kids and their families did not. And thank god UM didn't land Paterno. There is a crazy cult of personality with him out there. Listening to some PSU'ers reinforces it. It is a little unsettling.

January 23rd, 2012, 10:32 AM	#53
WM Wolverine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,272	We really have no idea how much Paterno knew so its tough to say how 'guilty' he is. I take much more issue with how little was done after Paterno turned what he knew to the campus police. Many places along the line, this got swept under the rug and a lot of people at PSU should be in major trouble; Paterno is likely one of the many among the PSU administration. __________________ B10 titles: 42 - #1 all-time wins (903) #1 all-time winning percentage (.734)

January 23rd, 2012, 12:16 PM	#54
Jamie H Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,067	Lots of people dropped the ball. Paterno was just the most well known of those people.

January 23rd, 2012, 12:21 PM	#55
DennisT Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,176	I think there was probably more to it than protecting a friend. I suspect protecting the image of the university and himself weighed into it.

January 23rd, 2012, 05:38 PM	#56
JRB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 869	Spencer Hall's take on Joe Paterno at EDSBS... http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-footbal...state-football

January 23rd, 2012, 05:39 PM	#57
Mackenzie Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 530	I really enjoyed watching Brady and the Pats run a no huddle offense. Seems like teams who can do this well have somewhat of an advantage. Once Hoke get his team in place do you think he and/or Borges will have the inclination to make this an integral part of the offense. Not sure if SDSU ran much of a no-huddle.

January 23rd, 2012, 06:42 PM	#58
Chuck Mallory Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: North Carolina Posts: 891	I doubt it. Coach Hoke wants a team that slows the game down and keeps the opposing offense off the field using a power run game and a good defense.

January 24th, 2012, 03:10 AM	#59
Mike Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,674	Don't make the mistake of thinking Paterno passed along McQueary's information to campus police. He told the adminstrator who oversaw the campus police about what McQueary told him. As I understand it he did NOT notify police. To me there is a huge distiction between notifying the police and a PSU administrator. The former implies a greater interest in justice for the victims, the latter implies CYA while protecting your friend. Personally, I'm a bit disgusted by the positive attention his death has attracted. If I hear one more person extol the virtues of JoePa and his "life lessons" my head might explode. That's like saying "other than the double murders, OJ was a hell of a guy!". Died of a broken heart... my ass. He was an 85 year-old man with lung cancer. That's what happens. I guess by "broken heart" Millen meant stress over being fired, publicly humiliated, and facing possible criminal prosecution that probably hastened his demise. Last edited by Mike; January 24th, 2012 at 03:21 AM.

January 24th, 2012, 05:53 AM	#60
paul daugherity Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 123	Not to mention that at least 1 of the 2 administrators to whom he reported what McQuery told him was one of his former players. So in that instance, you have to ask yourself who was really in control? Or who was really reporting to whom?