Jahvid Best Highlights - Page 2

mn2009 · April 30th, 2010, 01:14 PM

C.J. Spiller Scouting Report

Position:RB School & Year/Status:Clemson - DraftedJersey Number:#28Height & Weight:5'11 - 195 lbs.Ranked #13 on our Top 100 Prospects Board Drafted 1.9 in 2010 by BUF

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2010 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:

person C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson

C.J. Spiller had to deal with splitting carries with James Davis for most of his career. Even without the entire workload, Spiller has put up some great numbers. As a freshman, Spiller tallied 938 yards on the ground and 12 total trips to the end zone. In 2007 Spiller rushed for 768 yards, but it was during that season he emerged as a great pass catcher out of the backfield. The 5-11 back caught 34 passes for 271 yards and two touchdowns. In 2008 Spiller totaled 629 rushing yards, 436 receiving yards and ten total offensive touchdowns.
The big question after Spiller opted to return to Clemson for his senior season was how well he could manage the workload on his own. After all, Spiller is a 5-11, 195 pound speed back. Through five games the results have been relatively mixed. Spiller is handling the carries and easily leads the team with 360 rushing yards, but his yards-per-carry numbers are down and he only has one rushing touchdown through five games.
However, the lack of production can be blamed on a lackluster offense. Spiller's speed and quickness should make him one of the top running backs in this class. In this day and age of multiple running back teams in the NFL, Spiller is the perfect compliment to a power back.
1/17 Update: Spiller racked up a plethora of postseason awards for his play during the 2009 season. He ended the year with 1,212 rushing yards with 12 touchdowns and added 503 receiving yards with four more trips to the end zone. While Spiller will almost certainly be a great back in the NFL and the first one off the board in April, it is his ability to return kicks that makes him so special. During 2009 alone Spiller returned four of his 23 kickoffs for a touchdown and one of his eight punt returns for a score. 3/1 Update: Spiller should still be the first running back off the board, but many do not see much of a difference between Spiller, Jonathan Dwyer, Ryan Matthews or Jahvid Best. Spiller may be the most explosive and Best is the fastest, but in this day and age of multiple back systems, few teams are willing to reach for Spiller when they could get somebody nearly as good in the second round or later in the first round. Spiller will be a first round pick, but it probably will not be until later in the round.

mn2009 · April 30th, 2010, 01:48 PM

http://cfn.scout.com/2/950679.html

Combine results for the RBs. Best test out fastest in the 40, beating Spiller. Both can fly. Both are pretty much the same size and strength.

Jdoggie · April 30th, 2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lioninflorida

I don't consider this getting caught from behind. It can't be considered a knock on him if it will happen to any ball carrier. I'm saying Best won't get run down from a trailing DB like our current backs frequently do.

Its a surprise when any of our backs even reach a DB, unlesss he is blitzing, then its a given.

Fraquar · April 30th, 2010, 03:35 PM

I could care less if these guys run a 4.1 in skivvies and track shoes - the 40 is vastly overrated even for HB's.

If team rely on 80 yard runs or they simply struggle to score otherwise - they got a much bigger problem than needing a 4.1 track star - and it's probably blocking.....

DetroitDad08 · April 30th, 2010, 04:15 PM

His 40 time is a nice thing to see, but when you watch those highlights.... good god, seeing that speed is nice, and watching him slam that one would-be tackler it makes me feel good! I just hope he can transition to the next level! I swear if he does i will own a Best Jersey! I'm hoping for a homerun hitter!

Fraquar · April 30th, 2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DetroitDad08

His 40 time is a nice thing to see, but when you watch those highlights.... good god, seeing that speed is nice, and watching him slam that one would-be tackler it makes me feel good! I just hope he can transition to the next level! I swear if he does i will own a Best Jersey! I'm hoping for a homerun hitter!

When I watch those highlights I see an awful lot of good blocking he just won't get here in Detroit. I see a shitload of missed tackles that likely won't happen in the NFL. I see a couple of decent moves - and I don't see him outrunning anyone that would otherwise have the angle on him - which is what pure speed does.

DetroitDad08 · April 30th, 2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fraquar

When I watch those highlights I see an awful lot of good blocking he just won't get here in Detroit. I see a shitload of missed tackles that likely won't happen in the NFL. I see a couple of decent moves - and I don't see him outrunning anyone that would otherwise have the angle on him - which is what pure speed does.

well there went my "schwatz-best-arrousal". I think the kids got a real shot at putting some defenders on their toes! But more than I think he will I WANT HIM TOO, know what i mean?

Panoptes · April 30th, 2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fraquar

When I watch those highlights I see an awful lot of good blocking he just won't get here in Detroit. I see a shitload of missed tackles that likely won't happen in the NFL. I see a couple of decent moves - and I don't see him outrunning anyone that would otherwise have the angle on him - which is what pure speed does.

There.

Its out there.

I have the same concerns but of course, the O line blocking and injured past are my biggest concerns for him.

DetroitDad08 · April 30th, 2010, 04:32 PM

Some say injury prone, I like to think of it as willing to put all of you into it! But, I can't lie it does scare me. You know what else is really scary is the video of his concussion when his arms go all frankensteiney, creepy!

Fraquar · April 30th, 2010, 04:33 PM

Oh, I want him to - I just don't see what everyone else is seeing when looking at the videos. I mean seriously, on the 80 yarder all he had to do was beat the MLB with 5 yards of separation to juke him and the rest of the defense totally out of position - with a mack truck sized hole.

That play looks more like an indictment on what not to do defensively than a RB highlight shot - and quite frankly looks like it very well could have been mistaken for a few Lions defensive gems over the last couple of years.

DetroitDad08 · April 30th, 2010, 04:55 PM

I just think it's a good direction for us to go to him. It's not like Were leaning towards a great RB only.. or just a great WR only. If we can utilize both positions they can help each other which will make both of them better than they are!

mn2009 · April 30th, 2010, 05:01 PM

Watch his 90 yard TD run. You'll see greatness there - him doing things very few RB's in history (Sanders, Sayers - guys like that) could do.

Watch his feet and his moves upon moves,and how he sets guys up to be left in the dust.

mn2009 · April 30th, 2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DetroitDad08

I just think it's a good direction for us to go to him. It's not like Were leaning towards a great RB only.. or just a great WR only. If we can utilize both positions they can help each other which will make both of them better than they are!

Yeah, don't lose sight of how great he looks as a receiver. He was making some catches that only a very good (or better than good) WR can make.

Mainevent · April 30th, 2010, 05:03 PM

Clearly blocking is an issue, we've all pretty much been harping on that for the many years. But the Lions don't even have a back that can juke a LB or DL and make a play. If Best can do that some of the time and make teams pay with the occasional 30-40 yarder, that will be a huge help to this offense.

My favorite film on Best came from his JR year when he absolutely tore up the U in their bowl game.

DetroitDad08 · April 30th, 2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mainevent

Clearly blocking is an issue, we've all pretty much been harping on that for the many years. But the Lions don't even have a back that can juke a LB or DL and make a play. If Best can do that some of the time and make teams pay with the occasional 30-40 yarder, that will be a huge help to this offense.

My favorite film on Best came from his JR year when he absolutely tore up the U in their bowl game.

I like the 5td game against, i think it was, Wisconsin State

mn2009 · April 30th, 2010, 05:10 PM

If we've got two tight ends and Best, with CJ and Burleson in there, won't the threat of Best getting through the first line of defense, and the threat of a screen to him (with TE's and a couple of the lineman lead blocking) and the threat of Best being a super broken field runner on release plays when Stafford checks down, all be a huge impediment to teams just letting lose and focusing on rushing Stafford? I'd also think that our ability to spread the field with very imposing WR and TE's and Best in the backfield, and all the play actions, is going to be very hard to defend.

Fraquar · April 30th, 2010, 05:13 PM

Lions have to establish the run in a base set before any 2 TE sets are gonna do squat. If they can't run out of base the rest is hoping to fool somebody - and teams in the NFL don't repeatedly get fooled (unless they are the Lions of recent memory).

mn2009 · April 30th, 2010, 05:17 PM

You're acting like Best is some scatback - a guy who can only run an occassional trick play. This guy is an ultra-talented HR running back.

Nick Pappageorgio · April 30th, 2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mn2009

.......... and the threat of Best being a super broken........

this is the one I worry about

Fraquar · April 30th, 2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mn2009

You're acting like Best is some scatback - a guy who can only run an occassional trick play. This guy is an ultra-talented HR running back.

Why 2 TE's then - whats the point in 2 TE's other than trying to compensate for poor interior blocking? Fool somebody?

April 30th, 2010, 01:14 PM	#21
mn2009 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 415	C.J. Spiller Scouting Report Position:RB School & Year/Status:Clemson - DraftedJersey Number:#28Height & Weight:5'11 - 195 lbs.Ranked #13 on our Top 100 Prospects Board Drafted 1.9 in 2010 by BUF NFL Combine Results 40-Yard Dash4.37Bench press18 See All Combine Results 2010 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report: person C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson C.J. Spiller had to deal with splitting carries with James Davis for most of his career. Even without the entire workload, Spiller has put up some great numbers. As a freshman, Spiller tallied 938 yards on the ground and 12 total trips to the end zone. In 2007 Spiller rushed for 768 yards, but it was during that season he emerged as a great pass catcher out of the backfield. The 5-11 back caught 34 passes for 271 yards and two touchdowns. In 2008 Spiller totaled 629 rushing yards, 436 receiving yards and ten total offensive touchdowns. The big question after Spiller opted to return to Clemson for his senior season was how well he could manage the workload on his own. After all, Spiller is a 5-11, 195 pound speed back. Through five games the results have been relatively mixed. Spiller is handling the carries and easily leads the team with 360 rushing yards, but his yards-per-carry numbers are down and he only has one rushing touchdown through five games. However, the lack of production can be blamed on a lackluster offense. Spiller's speed and quickness should make him one of the top running backs in this class. In this day and age of multiple running back teams in the NFL, Spiller is the perfect compliment to a power back. 1/17 Update: Spiller racked up a plethora of postseason awards for his play during the 2009 season. He ended the year with 1,212 rushing yards with 12 touchdowns and added 503 receiving yards with four more trips to the end zone. While Spiller will almost certainly be a great back in the NFL and the first one off the board in April, it is his ability to return kicks that makes him so special. During 2009 alone Spiller returned four of his 23 kickoffs for a touchdown and one of his eight punt returns for a score. 3/1 Update: Spiller should still be the first running back off the board, but many do not see much of a difference between Spiller, Jonathan Dwyer, Ryan Matthews or Jahvid Best. Spiller may be the most explosive and Best is the fastest, but in this day and age of multiple back systems, few teams are willing to reach for Spiller when they could get somebody nearly as good in the second round or later in the first round. Spiller will be a first round pick, but it probably will not be until later in the round.

April 30th, 2010, 01:48 PM	#22
mn2009 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 415	http://cfn.scout.com/2/950679.html Combine results for the RBs. Best test out fastest in the 40, beating Spiller. Both can fly. Both are pretty much the same size and strength.

April 30th, 2010, 03:35 PM	#24
Fraquar Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,435	I could care less if these guys run a 4.1 in skivvies and track shoes - the 40 is vastly overrated even for HB's. If team rely on 80 yard runs or they simply struggle to score otherwise - they got a much bigger problem than needing a 4.1 track star - and it's probably blocking.....

April 30th, 2010, 04:15 PM	#25
DetroitDad08 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Home: LittleRock Air Force Base, AR. Originally: Sterling Heights, MI Posts: 1,126	His 40 time is a nice thing to see, but when you watch those highlights.... good god, seeing that speed is nice, and watching him slam that one would-be tackler it makes me feel good! I just hope he can transition to the next level! I swear if he does i will own a Best Jersey! I'm hoping for a homerun hitter!

April 30th, 2010, 04:32 PM	#29
DetroitDad08 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Home: LittleRock Air Force Base, AR. Originally: Sterling Heights, MI Posts: 1,126	Some say injury prone, I like to think of it as willing to put all of you into it! But, I can't lie it does scare me. You know what else is really scary is the video of his concussion when his arms go all frankensteiney, creepy!

April 30th, 2010, 04:33 PM	#30
Fraquar Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,435	Oh, I want him to - I just don't see what everyone else is seeing when looking at the videos. I mean seriously, on the 80 yarder all he had to do was beat the MLB with 5 yards of separation to juke him and the rest of the defense totally out of position - with a mack truck sized hole. That play looks more like an indictment on what not to do defensively than a RB highlight shot - and quite frankly looks like it very well could have been mistaken for a few Lions defensive gems over the last couple of years.

April 30th, 2010, 04:55 PM	#31
DetroitDad08 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Home: LittleRock Air Force Base, AR. Originally: Sterling Heights, MI Posts: 1,126	I just think it's a good direction for us to go to him. It's not like Were leaning towards a great RB only.. or just a great WR only. If we can utilize both positions they can help each other which will make both of them better than they are!

April 30th, 2010, 05:01 PM	#32
mn2009 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 415	Watch his 90 yard TD run. You'll see greatness there - him doing things very few RB's in history (Sanders, Sayers - guys like that) could do. Watch his feet and his moves upon moves,and how he sets guys up to be left in the dust.

April 30th, 2010, 05:03 PM	#34
Mainevent Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,383	Clearly blocking is an issue, we've all pretty much been harping on that for the many years. But the Lions don't even have a back that can juke a LB or DL and make a play. If Best can do that some of the time and make teams pay with the occasional 30-40 yarder, that will be a huge help to this offense. My favorite film on Best came from his JR year when he absolutely tore up the U in their bowl game.

April 30th, 2010, 05:10 PM	#36
mn2009 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 415	If we've got two tight ends and Best, with CJ and Burleson in there, won't the threat of Best getting through the first line of defense, and the threat of a screen to him (with TE's and a couple of the lineman lead blocking) and the threat of Best being a super broken field runner on release plays when Stafford checks down, all be a huge impediment to teams just letting lose and focusing on rushing Stafford? I'd also think that our ability to spread the field with very imposing WR and TE's and Best in the backfield, and all the play actions, is going to be very hard to defend.

April 30th, 2010, 05:13 PM	#37
Fraquar Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,435	Lions have to establish the run in a base set before any 2 TE sets are gonna do squat. If they can't run out of base the rest is hoping to fool somebody - and teams in the NFL don't repeatedly get fooled (unless they are the Lions of recent memory).

April 30th, 2010, 05:17 PM	#38
mn2009 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 415	You're acting like Best is some scatback - a guy who can only run an occassional trick play. This guy is an ultra-talented HR running back.