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Old August 24th, 2016, 08:57 AM   #15021
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We get a football game two night from now to tide us over too. Worth watching to scout the enemy, I guess.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 08:59 AM   #15022
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Edit: Weird, I had him clicked the first time, just didn't save. Here's what I got...putting the number at 29, probably best case scenario. 299.72

Darnay HolmesCB (5-10/190)0.9923 (+29.23)Remove
Donovan Peoples-JonesWR (6-2/192)0.9918 (+29.00)Remove
Isaiah WilsonOT (6-7/350)0.9830 (+27.61)Remove
Dylan McCaffreyPRO (6-5/196)0.9753 (+26.04)Remove
Tedarrell SlatonOG (6-4.5/340)0.9717 (+24.61)Remove
Drew SingletonOLB (6-2/215)0.9685 (+21.50)Remove
Cesar RuizOC (6-3/315)0.9653 (+19.60)Remove
Nico CollinsWR (6-5/195)0.9558 (+17.23)Remove
Luiji VilainWDE (6-4/240)0.9497 (+15.15)Remove
Ambry ThomasCB (5-11.5/174)0.9476 (+13.35)Remove
Tarik BlackWR (6-4/200.9389 (+11.32)Remove
Kai-Leon HerbertOT (6-5/284)0.9301 (+9.46)Remove
Josh RossILB (6-1.5/221)0.9139 (+7.53)Remove
Jaylen Kelly-PowellS (6-0/175)0.9034 (+6.07)Remove
Oliver MartinWR (6-0.5/180.9010 (+5.01)Remove
O'Maury SamuelsRB (5-11/190)0.8986 (+4.09)Remove
Corey Malone-HatcherWDE (6-3/246)0.8969 (+3.31)Remove
A.J. DillonATH (6-1/230)0.8938 (+2.62)Remove
James HudsonSDE (6-5/280)0.8919 (+2.07)Remove
JaRaymond HallOT (6-5/282)0.8918 (+1.62)Remove
J'Marick WoodsS (6-3/205)0.8863 (+1.22)Remove
Benjamin St-JusteCB (6-3/180.8846 (+0.93)Remove
Joel HonigfordOT (6-6/270.8724 (+0.66)Remove
Phillip PaeaDT (6-4/285)0.8721 (+0.49)Remove
Andrew StueberOT (6-6/285)0.8590 (+0.34)Remove
Ben MasonILB (6-2.5/247)0.8510 (+0.23)Remove
Kurt TaylorRB (5-9/200)0.8472 (+0.16)Remove
Carter DunawayTE (6-6.5/231)0.8287 (+0.10)Remove
Chase LasaterFB (6-2/230.8262 (+0.07)
Offense: incredible.

Defense: not so much. We have such a huge logjam at FB and TE that we could maybe stand to move one or two guys to the other side of the ball.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 11:14 AM   #15023
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Probably should have added Jordan Anthony on there, but I didn't want over 30 recruits on there.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 12:06 PM   #15024
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Old August 24th, 2016, 12:10 PM   #15025
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I guess I'll try posting this again...I can't believe it would be deleted, so I must have not managed to point and click technology correctly.

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It seems to me that Tufele is at least as likely as Holmes and I don't consider either of them particularly likely. I also have a hard time seeing them getting all 3 "stud" OL. I realize it's best case, but if best case why not throw in Tufele? At least put them over the 302.40 OSU currently has!
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Old August 24th, 2016, 12:12 PM   #15026
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There just hasn't been as much buzz about Tufele. Maybe once officials begin...still a long way to go with a lot of guys.

I think they currently "lead" for all the OL, god knows if we get them or not.

I really think they'll end up with Holmes though...gut feeling.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 12:20 PM   #15027
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Tufele is quiet. So, there's never any buzz. Ever.

Holmes...UCLA. I also think he would pick OSU over M, but meh...he's picking neither IMO, so that's irrelevant.

Re OL, yeah -- I think 2 of the 3 is reasonably likely as opposed to best case scenario.

Also, did you account for any decommits or just go with the commits + who you think will finish it out? I have no clue if any the current commits are wobbly or otherwise subject to being upgraded out of the class. For example, even with bad numbers I think 7 OL is excessive. It seems like that's a recipe for having the exact same problem in 3 years.


Anyway, I agree with most of your list. I think they'll finish around 285. And the in-state kids are locks, IMO, so that's good.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 12:30 PM   #15028
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No, no idea on the decommits. That's what makes it hard to come up with commits this year without getting to 35 total commits. Hasn't been any buzz of kids wavering, other than Solomon, so there's that.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 12:35 PM   #15029
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Well coached teams do that. (WM Wolverine in response to comment that OSU has been improving as season goes on.)
Or maybe it's a sign of poor coaching that a powerhouse like last year's OSU team started out so poorly? Only after the sad loss to MSU did OSU get it in gear.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 12:41 PM   #15030
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Tufele is quiet. So, there's never any buzz. Ever.

Holmes...UCLA. I also think he would pick OSU over M, but meh...he's picking neither IMO, so that's irrelevant.
I'm curious, why would he pick OSU over M?
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Old August 24th, 2016, 12:54 PM   #15031
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He's visited OSU 4 separate times, has an OV scheduled and is close with a lot of kids in OSU's class. So, eh, my gut feeling is that he'd pick OSU over M, but my very real feeling is that he will stay out West and I think it's UCLA.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 12:55 PM   #15032
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If he stays out west, it's 100% UCLA.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 01:00 PM   #15033
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Old August 24th, 2016, 01:37 PM   #15034
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Holmes is UCLA but the official visit could help our chances of changing his mind... He's unlikeliest of those that The Oracle listed..

The Oracle has 7 OL, 1 of the 'elite' 3 OL should be switched for a defensive player... The only recruit with known academic issues is Chase Lasater; chance he ends up on the outside looking in...

Ohio State didn't show up vs Northern Illinois and only showed up late vs Indiana; otherwise very little were within two scores of them. Vs Sparty looked like way too conservative coaching than a talent issue... I had the Buckeyes as a playoff team over MSU but there is no way the committee can override a head-to-head loss or a conference champ over a non-conference champ. Sparty loses one (or 3) more game as they should've, Ohio State wins B1G CG and goes to 4-team playoff and loses to Saban.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 02:04 PM   #15035
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Old August 24th, 2016, 02:08 PM   #15036
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16 players from the 25 originally in the class of 2012 will play out their eligibility. That's the most since the 17 players from the 1999 class. Nine fifth year seniors has to be the most that we have had in a long time. We would have a few more were it not for the trend of grad transfers.

Of the 66 players signed by Rodriguez, only 25 of them played out eligibility. Other than the 2009 offensive class (Denard, 3 OL, Gallon, Fitz, Smith) his recruiting was an unmitigated disaster. Wow. Carr's late classes were pretty bad in that area too. Thank God Hoke somehow managed to stop that shitty trend.

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Old August 24th, 2016, 02:22 PM   #15037
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Carr's recruiting tailed off dramatically after '03. He did hit on enough talent to sustain the program as mediocre through his tenure ('07) before leaving RR with not much to use.
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Old August 24th, 2016, 03:39 PM   #15038
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Carr's recruiting tailed off dramatically after '03. He did hit on enough talent to sustain the program as mediocre through his tenure ('07) before leaving RR with not much to use.
I was no fan of Rodriguez, but I agree with this. Rodriguez was hired with one hand tied behind his back due to the lackluster recruiting over Carr's last two years.

Yet Lloyd and his supporters were the most vocal in their opposition to Rodriguez.
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I'm tired of people blaming Carr for RR's failures. Truth is RR and his staff were amazed by the level of talent they inherited over what they had to work with at WVA. Carr has been gone for almost a decade. Give it a rest!
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Old August 24th, 2016, 04:55 PM   #15040
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I wanted RRod gone as much as anyone Stan. My biggest problem with him was his lack of emphasis on defense, and how he sapped the toughness out of the program.

Carr shared blame for leaving nothing on the table, but RRod had 3 years to recover, and he didn't. Instead he made it worse.
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