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Old Yesterday, 11:30 AM   #31521
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The only weekend morning shows worth watching better involve the EPL.
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Well, again, there are metrics.
Correct. My statement is based thereon.

But, look -- before this goes any further -- I know what you think of the US, I know what you think politically and policy-wise -- I, by and large, disagree with those macro topic takes. I'm quite sure they're sincerely-held, rationally-reached and credibly-supported. I'm also sure they're not prone to much change.

Our macro world views aren't at all the same. Unlike, say, Geezer, I'm perfectly fine with that, have no particular desire to change yours and understand you're not an idiot for thinking differently.

There's quite a bit of room for discussion on discrete "micro-topics" -- say, venture capital investment in alternative energy or underlying causes of Turkish government choices. All very interesting. But when it boils down to something as fundamental as the value of the US then it's neither interesting nor productive. Just too fundamental to do anything other than state vastly different thoughts.
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Old Yesterday, 11:35 AM   #31522
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You don't care what he really destroys or who he harms while he's there, so long as the tax cut happens
Care to give an example of what or whom Trump is destroying? Making able-bodied Medicaid recipients work 20 hours per week?

BTW, I went to the Forum page and it appears you are tattling to Jeff again. There is no way that a person can be working in the oil and gas industry and have total disdain for private property like you do. I figure you are some sort of environmental consultant. But you appeal to Jeff so the new rule is that I cannot ask you what you do or what is your wife's occupation.

DSL, one thing that is universally true is that progressives will always try to shut down free speech. Their belief system is so utterly illogical that they absolutely cannot defend it, so they shut down those who question it.

Meanwhile, in actual news, Apple is bringing back $ 252 Billion to the US, has committed to spending $ 350 Billion in the next 5 years on what are actual shovel-ready jobs, is paying $ 38 Billion in repatriation tax, and has given $ 2,500.00 in restricted stock to each employee.

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Old Yesterday, 11:36 AM   #31523
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Well I agree with all that save for the metrics. Many of them show other things. Just do. That's a challenge to an assertion that seems true, or has for a while. I think it's very interesting.
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Old Yesterday, 11:36 AM   #31524
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Dammit talent, he's like the Great Gazoo. Mention his name and he appears.
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Old Yesterday, 11:45 AM   #31525
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Old Yesterday, 11:55 AM   #31526
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However, it is fundamentals, not market sentiment that has the largest impact on both the Dow and the S&P (both also noteworthy for their narrow focus on specific stocks).
The S&P is narrow? 500 stocks, narrow? Check the Wilshire 5000 and you will see exactly the same trends.

Jeff, you should stick to moderating and leave the financial analysis to those of us who are qualified to do so. Regurgitating Buzzfeed just doesn't cut it.
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Old Yesterday, 12:03 PM   #31527
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and leave the financial analysis to those of us who are qualified to do so.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!
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Old Yesterday, 12:05 PM   #31528
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Old Yesterday, 12:26 PM   #31529
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I must say as the titular head of the progressive faction I am embarrassed or proud to say I really only know of Joy Reid by her bad tweets.
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Old Yesterday, 12:49 PM   #31530
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!
My compliments for finding a way to use multiple syllables in your wording to argue your point. Impressive.

A couple of years ago, my roommate at Hope shared his largess with his employees.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/boss-s...6m-in-bonuses/

This is what actual patriots do for their employees. This guy also owns 81 charter schools.
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Old Yesterday, 04:50 PM   #31531
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that volume tho


But this was somehow 0bama's doing lol
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Old Yesterday, 06:25 PM   #31532
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Great post, Kap.

How about any of you progressives posting something, anything, that Barak Obama did during the eight years of his presidency that actually helped the United States. Think hard.

What is true is that voters in 2008 voted for BO because he had black skin. That is what I did. When his hatred of the US became evident in about 2009, I regretted my vote. What did that man do to help this country? Absolutely nothing. I felt proud on election night when Obama walked out on a stage in Grant Park with those two beautiful little girls. What a magnificent country!! What a magnificent symbol to the world that the US, with its manifest faults, still elected a black man as its President.

And then BO started to try to destroy the US from within.

Hey, progs, you got anything that BO did that was beneficial to the US??

I thought not.
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Old Yesterday, 06:42 PM   #31533
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Care to give an example of what or whom Trump is destroying? Making able-bodied Medicaid recipients work 20 hours per week?

BTW, I went to the Forum page and it appears you are tattling to Jeff again. There is no way that a person can be working in the oil and gas industry and have total disdain for private property like you do. I figure you are some sort of environmental consultant. But you appeal to Jeff so the new rule is that I cannot ask you what you do or what is your wife's occupation.

DSL, one thing that is universally true is that progressives will always try to shut down free speech. Their belief system is so utterly illogical that they absolutely cannot defend it, so they shut down those who question it.


Meanwhile, in actual news, Apple is bringing back $ 252 Billion to the US, has committed to spending $ 350 Billion in the next 5 years on what are actual shovel-ready jobs, is paying $ 38 Billion in repatriation tax, and has given $ 2,500.00 in restricted stock to each employee.

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None of that is true. I didn't go 'tattling' to Jeff, which Jeff can confirm, and I'm probably one of the biggest free speech advocates here. You are welcome to persist in demanding personal details from all posters here, particularly those you want to use those details against, but I won't be sharing any more with you.
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Old Yesterday, 06:47 PM   #31534
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Great post, Kap.

How about any of you progressives posting something, anything, that Barak Obama did during the eight years of his presidency that actually helped the United States. Think hard.

What is true is that voters in 2008 voted for BO because he had black skin. That is what I did. When his hatred of the US became evident in about 2009, I regretted my vote. What did that man do to help this country? Absolutely nothing. I felt proud on election night when Obama walked out on a stage in Grant Park with those two beautiful little girls. What a magnificent country!! What a magnificent symbol to the world that the US, with its manifest faults, still elected a black man as its President.

And then BO started to try to destroy the US from within.

Hey, progs, you got anything that BO did that was beneficial to the US??

I thought not.
https://www.good.is/articles/obamas-...ents-in-office

https://www.thebalance.com/what-has-...hments-3306158

https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazi...complishments/

You won't agree with a single one of those but I don't really care.

How about this: urge for the passage of TPP? Your hero Trump and all protectionists everywhere hated him for that.
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Old Yesterday, 06:58 PM   #31535
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The WSJ has evidence that Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, set up a shell company in Delaware for the sole purpose of buying Stormy Daniels' silence about a month before the election. Not only is Cohen a liar, he's not especially smart.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...dult-film-star

It should be noted that an old interview Daniels gave back in 2011 has been dug up where's she's upfront about fucking Trump, back before she signed her NDA

“[The sex] was textbook generic,” Daniels said. “I actually don’t even know why I did it, but I do remember while we were having sex, I was like, ‘Please, don’t try to pay me.’ ”

Daniels also told the publication that after the encounter, Trump kept saying: “ ‘I’m gonna call you, I’m gonna call you. I have to see you again. You’re amazing. We have to get you on 'The Apprentice.’”


http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/s...d-trump-151571
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Old Yesterday, 08:17 PM   #31536
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Yeah, no one really cares
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Old Yesterday, 08:20 PM   #31537
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A Bombshell House Intelligence report exposing extensive FISA abuse could lead to the removal of senior government officials

https://saraacarter.com/2018/01/18/a...ent-officials/

A review of a classified document outlining what is described as extensive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act abuse was made available to all House members Thursday and the revelations could lead to the removal of senior officials in the FBI and Department of Justice, several sources with knowledge of the document stated. These sources say the report is “explosive,” stating they would not be surprised if it leads to the end of Robert Mueller’s Special Counsel investigation into President Trump and his associates.

The House Intelligence Committee passed the motion along party lines Thursday to make the classified report alleging extensive ‘FISA Abuse’ related to the controversial dossier available to all House members. The report contains information regarding the dossier that alleges President Trump and members of his team colluded with the Russians in the 2016 presidential election. Some members of the House viewed the document in a secure room Thursday.

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., offered the motion on Thursday to make the Republican majority-authored report available to the members.

“The document shows a troubling course of conduct and we need to make the document available, so the public can see it,” said a senior government official, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the document. “Once the public sees it, we can hold the people involved accountable in a number of ways.”
The government official said that after reading the document “some of these people should no longer be in the government.”

The document also apparently outlines “several problematic” issues with how FISA warrants were “packaged, and used” state several sources with knowledge of the report.

Over the past year, whistleblowers in the law enforcement and intelligence community have revealed to Congress what they believe to be extensive abuse with regard to FISA surveillance,*as previously reported.*

The dossier was used in part as evidence for a warrant to surveil members of the Trump campaign, according to a*story published this month. Former British spy Christopher Steele, who compiled the dossier in 2016, was hired by embattled research firm Fusion GPS. The firm’s founder is Glenn Simpson, a former Wall Street Journal reporter who has already testified before Congress in relation to the dossier. In October, The Washington Post revealed for the first time that it was the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC that financed Fusion GPS.

Congressional members are hopeful that the classified information will be declassified and released to the public.

“We probably will get this stuff released by the end of the month,” stated a congressional member, who asked not to be named.

But the government official, who viewed the document said “it will be tough for a lot of people to see this and especially the media, which has been attempting to deemphasize the dossier. It’s going to punch a hole in their collusion narrative.”

The House vote to make the report available to all members is a major step in exposing the long-guarded classified documents obtained by the House Intelligence Committee over the past year. It allows members of the House to view the report and could quickly lead to a motion to declassify the report for the public, numerous House members told this reporter.

“It’s a (House Intelligence) committee document that deals with the assessment on the Department of Justice, FBI and the oversight work that is being conducted by the committee,” said a congressional source, which spoke on condition that they not be named.
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Old Yesterday, 09:06 PM   #31538
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I say release everything. Put it all in the public domain.
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Old Yesterday, 10:39 PM   #31539
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How many of the Republicans in that piece just this week voted to reauthorize FISA, the program they are so worried about being abused?

Peter King voted YES

Paul Ryan was for it. Mitch McConnell was for it. Trump and his staff were for it.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/politi...ote/index.html

You can check to see if your Representative voted to reauthorize FISA here (note over 80% of Republicans voted in favor of the program)

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll016.xml
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