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Old January 8th, 2018, 04:51 PM   #1
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Well designed Detroit Lions offensive plays.....

So after seeing Caldwell bow out with one of the most innovative plays I’ve ever seen in the NFL, it got me thinking. Why did we see 3 years of screen passes to Golden Tate and runs up the gut on first down for negative yardage? How often have we done something a bit..different?

Our playbook has looked a bit...bland. How often do you see a flea flicker or a trick play when it has actually mattered?

Something a bit left field on 4 and 1 instead of bringing on Sam Martin?

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Old January 8th, 2018, 05:03 PM   #2
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That is not how we do things here.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 05:06 PM   #3
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Just did it. Think outside the box.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 06:07 PM   #4
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How long have you watched the Lions?
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Old January 8th, 2018, 06:13 PM   #5
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Old January 8th, 2018, 06:13 PM   #6
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From early Stafford days.

Particularly in the Caldwell and Cooter era, it has sometimes occurred to me that our playbook has looked a little bit vanilla.

You often see the Panthers, Falcons, Pats, Steelers etc do things a bit more left field and particularly go for it on 4th and short which you didn't tend to see here too much.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 06:16 PM   #7
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Honest question. How old are you? We're always eager to tutor young grasshoppers but honestly your questions are football 101 for anyone who watches the games.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 06:18 PM   #8
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31.

I watch all the games and I personally think our dink and dunk offense is a little bit vanilla, unless we are forced into going downfield (often successfully) due to chasing a lead.

I think other teams can be a bit more innovative than I've seen us.

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Old January 8th, 2018, 06:23 PM   #9
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I watch all the games and I personally think our dink and dunk offence is a little bit vanilla, unless we are forced into going downfield (often successfully) due to chasing a lead.
Agreed. How long have you been watching "American Football"? Not trying to offend, just curious.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 06:28 PM   #10
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A long time. I first went to the “America Bowl” at Wembley Stadium with my dad (big Redskins fan) in ‘93. Sky TV (our FOX) have only started showing all of the games in the last 10 years.

I am not claiming to be Vince Lombardi FWIW. I don’t think the point is that controversial either, though.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 06:35 PM   #11
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You are bang on about the Lions conservatism under Caldwell. I'm just vetting the "new guy"! Giving you "the gears" (a Canadian thing) is it were, and all that.

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Old January 8th, 2018, 07:23 PM   #12
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This was well designed...

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Old January 8th, 2018, 07:26 PM   #13
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Old January 8th, 2018, 07:30 PM   #14
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Old January 8th, 2018, 08:06 PM   #15
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I think our offensive firepower left when Linehan left. Now Dallas fans HATE him and think he is too vanilla!
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Old January 8th, 2018, 08:09 PM   #16
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Even they fake punted and charged up the field from their own 20 against the Raiders the other day. Hugely ballsy call.
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Old January 9th, 2018, 12:24 AM   #17
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I think our offensive firepower left when Linehan left. Now Dallas fans HATE him and think he is too vanilla!
Well, not to say that Linehan was a bad OC, he is a really good OC. But we still suffered the same types of issues with him. His plays were inventive and did a great job of taking advantage of the baseline expectations of a defense. But his play calling suffered in the same way it did under Cooter. There was a predictable nature on how the game was called. Runs always on first and second downs, predictable first reads on offense.

The strength though was that he would chuck what wasn't working pretty quick and let Stafford take chances. Kind of because he had to, for as exotic as his offenses looked, Stafford had two reads and a check down. Part of the reason his sack numbers were so low under Linehan. Stafford would make two post snap reads and then either try to fit it in or check down or toss the ball away. It worked great in 2011 because people didn't have a lot of good tape on the team with a QB like Stafford throwing, but meant that once Defenses got smart about who they needed to cover it became that much harder on him.

So really the last time we had a truly good firepower that wasn't just a flash in the pan was Martz. But that came with it's own set of issues (can't remember any other offense that made QB's a sitting duck as bad as Martz).
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I think our offensive firepower left when Linehan left. Now Dallas fans HATE him and think he is too vanilla!
Really?
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Old January 9th, 2018, 07:20 AM   #20
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This was well designed...

Nothing wrong with the design - execution, not so much.
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