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Old January 3rd, 2018, 11:23 AM   #381
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But, still, he created a program at Stanford and, David Shaw, to his immense credit, was able to take JH's work and solidify it.
It probably bears noting that Harbaugh hired Shaw when he took over San Diego State, and brought him along to Stanford. Shaw stayed at Stanford, who has continued to have great offensive success following Harbaugh's departure.

The same cannot be said for Harbaugh's offensive prowess without David Shaw.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 11:26 AM   #382
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SF did have a bunch of young players entering their prime, yeah. Fair point. If he was overrated, it wasn't just by Michigan fans. The NFL community drooled all over him. Without question his out-front personality probably inflates his reputation, or has until now. But what all this suggests is that when given the right ingredients Harbaugh knows what to do with them. That makes him a good or maybe potentially great coach. Which ought to be a big step up from what Michigan's had in the past. But for now there won't be talk about whether he belongs in that elite category. None of that now.

But, we'll see. He may be about to do exactly what most of the doubters here want him to do. Some parallels to when Hoke ditched Borges for Nussmeier. Harbaugh's changes will need to work. If he does clean out the offensive staff and the offense isn't miles better next year, with a proven QB with elite talent, then I'm just going to shrug my shoulders and assume Michigan football is kinda done.

I still want to know more about the in-game decision-making process. Sometimes he's handing off on second-and-10 as well as on third-and-10, and then instead of kicking an FG at the goal line on that key third down in the fourth, he suddenly did a reversal of approach and put it all on Peters, who rolled out and stared down the one receiver in the vicinity. He was staring down WRs all game. It doesn't feel like there's a rigorous approach to real-time judgement calls, but that's admittedly just a guess.

Also, concerns about bringing in more NFL guys at the coordinator level. For position coaches that's very attractive, but I wonder if an NFL coordinator can understand how to put college kids in a position to succeed as well as someone who coaches in the college ranks now. It's odd that Harbaugh years ago was called the QB guru for making it simple on his QBs, yet in the past two years he has asked so much of his QBs, some of whom were clearly not capable.

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Old January 3rd, 2018, 11:30 AM   #383
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Can we move all the comments about the future to the new thread covering team 139 and 2018. Thanks.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 11:38 AM   #384
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Jeff, so what's your take on M's future?








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Old January 3rd, 2018, 11:42 AM   #385
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 01:54 PM   #386
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"I wonder if an NFL coordinator can understand how to put college kids in a position to succeed as well as someone who coaches in the college ranks now. "

I think you're right. Pro coaches don't have to teach fundamentals. The speed of the players is greatly enhanced. Talent level is almost equal team to team. I'm sure that is why so many college coaches fail in the pros. We were led to believe that Harbaugh's success at both levels gave him the edge.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 02:16 PM   #387
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JMO, but KISS wins in college. With the youth of the players and limits on staff and practice time it just makes sense.

I think a lot of complex offensive stuff is mostly worthless anyway, as defensive schemes are increasingly simple.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 02:19 PM   #388
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KISS works with Hoss too...he's about as dumb as a bag of socks...
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 02:20 PM   #389
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 02:40 PM   #390
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 03:11 PM   #391
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 03:18 PM   #392
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