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Old October 28th, 2017, 02:27 PM   #101
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Mobility: Peters
Decision making: Peters
Arm strength: Peters
Accuracy: Peters
Quick Release: Peters
Experience: Speight
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Old October 28th, 2017, 02:32 PM   #102
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Given that Speight seems to have football PTSD since the Iowa game, experience isn't even a point in his favor here
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Old October 28th, 2017, 02:38 PM   #103
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I'm not sure what to make of this game. Obviously Peters.

2, 100y rushers (Isaac and Higdon) and 334 rush yards may be the bigger story. That wasn't going to happen with JOK under center because he can't pass. Pretty obvious, pretty simple. Harbughffense is much more efficient with a passing threat form the QB running it.

Defense gets 5 sacks and more pressures. Here's the thing. That is what Don Brown schemes around. That pressure masks the weakness at S and McCray's limitations. Mettelus got worked again and I'm pretty sure I saw a couple of busts on coverage by Kinnel. Both the Ss look like they are in the right place but consistently lose the battle for the ball seemingly because it doesn't look like they get their arms up and hands in the receivers face.

Better offensive teams (e.g., PSU and osu) did and will make plays v. M's defenses weaknesses. It's out there, PSU was maybe the first to expose it, Kill saw it and ran several plays designed to take advantage; you can count on every team M faces from here on out will work to exploit the weaknesses at S and LB (matchups) in Brown's approach.

Notice that the last two OCs (Moorhead and Kill) stayed away from M corners. In these 3 and 4 wide sets, those inside receivers are covered by the Ss and sometimes the LBs. I'd like to know more about how those hand-offs work in man. Brown just doesn't play zone. I'm not sure that is the thing to do but what do I know. What I do know is that there are risks in the Brown approach. I guess he can live with those.

Anyway, it's Rutgers. I'm not going overboard here. The blocking may have been good because Rutgers is not good at stopping the run. It could be good execution and since I'm a homer, I'll go with that and wait for the UFR to prove me wrong.
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Old October 28th, 2017, 03:05 PM   #104
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Those are good points Jeff. The thing I like about Peters is his decision making. Even if he missed the pass, he went to the open receiver.
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Old October 28th, 2017, 04:37 PM   #105
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The passing game didn't affect the running game, other than a few 3rd down conversions that allowed them to get more carries.
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Old October 28th, 2017, 05:08 PM   #106
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They go hand in hand, when the d respects the passing game the running game opens up. Its that easy sometimes, and its Rutgers.
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Old October 28th, 2017, 05:19 PM   #107
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The passing game didn't affect the running game, other than a few 3rd down conversions that allowed them to get more carries.
I could be wrong but Rutgers plays quarters/C2 or C3. A weakness in Rutgers D is the LBs and they looked to me like they played up closer to the LOS than say, MSU with M's running game being the biggest problem with JOK at QB. The LBs appeared to me to back out about 3y after Peters hit his first three passes.

Since M was getting push v. Rutgers DL that opens up some space for RBs to make cuts or for linemen (an Owenwu looked very good at this) to get to the LBs instead of getting caught up in the wash - a problem for M in the past.

Video will show us that or it won't. I thought the run game was good to start with and improved with Peters in. That might just have been Rutgers D getting tired.
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Old October 28th, 2017, 05:28 PM   #108
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The run game was open from the beginning. And the types of dink and dunk stuff that Peters was throwing doesn't keep defenses honest.
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Old October 28th, 2017, 06:21 PM   #109
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Difficult to give too much praise given the MAC caliber competition. JOK has been a massive liability and opposing defenses showed him no respect, putting 8 plus in the box. Most any QB should be an upgrade.

More notable is the LB/safety issues in both coverage and over pursuit against the run. I don't like Brown blitzing two or more so often, leaves you liable to big play as we've seen in the two losses. Only works if your back seven is flawless.
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Old October 28th, 2017, 07:22 PM   #110
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Harbaugh's horrible QB decision cost us the MSU game.
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Old October 28th, 2017, 07:42 PM   #111
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Something that helped Peters is how he had a clean pocket on all but one if his completions. Good job to the o-line for allowing some time for Peters. While the d-line is the strength of Rutgers, that only means its below average competition at best. It's Rutgers.

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Old October 28th, 2017, 08:43 PM   #112
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Something that helped Peters is how he had a clean pocket on all but one if his completions. Good job to the o-line for allowing some time for Peters.....
Today, so did O'Korn.

I have a hard time believing O'Korn beat out Peters on a skill level basis. O'Korn just doesn't read the field. If his first receiver is covered, he's done, he bolts. For whatever reason, he misses open guys on his second read, doesn't take his outlet receiver and by that time he's eating a sack.

Peters, from what I saw of him in a 3 minute post game interview, is a bit awkward. I can see how JH may not have liked the lack of command presence. But the players seemed to know he was better than O'Korn and not by just a little. When he came in, they rallied around him, blocking, running and making tough catches. That was cool to see.

Yeah, it's Rutgers but Harbaugffense was way more efficient with him in there making plays. It's hard not to be overly optimistic about wins going forward. Like most Freshman, he's going to have a Freshman moment at a critical time v. Wisky or Maryland on the road.

Feel good about Minnesota but, damn, osu is going to be real tough. I don't see a win there.

I don't see 2 additional losses for PSU and MSU but osu and nFW just made it mathematically possible, if only a long shot for M to win the East. After today, M's goals are in reach. Play like it.
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Old October 28th, 2017, 08:48 PM   #113
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"When he came in, they rallied around him, blocking, running and making tough catches. That was cool to see."

I swear that was said in almost those exact words after O'Korn relieved Speight in the Purdue game. It seems to me that backup QBs often have that. We'll see how it goes next week. But I'm glad to see that things are unfolding in what is seemingly a sane way. O'Korn had to keep showing progression if he was to keep the job. I thought he played well enough at Pedo State to earn the start and another chance, but he didn't show progression today.
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Old October 28th, 2017, 09:05 PM   #114
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Today, so did O'Korn.

I have a hard time believing O'Korn beat out Peters on a skill level basis. O'Korn just doesn't read the field. If his first receiver is covered, he's done, he bolts. For whatever reason, he misses open guys on his second read, doesn't take his outlet receiver and by that time he's eating a sack.

Peters, from what I saw of him in a 3 minute post game interview, is a bit awkward.
True. Though I find it interesting that O'Korn didn't have that many true passing opportunities in this game. His first two passes were WR screens.
After that, O'Korn f***ed up on his next several opportunities. INT - fumbled snap - fumbled snap. O'Korn's last pass attempt, he was scrambling around like a lost fool and threw a horrible pass.

Whereas when Peters had time, at least he made quick and accurate passes. There was one opportunity when Rutgers should have picked Peters off. Got lucky there.
and yes, that's what I thought during Peters' post game interview. Seems like a quiet, good kid. But hey, so was Matt Ryan at BC I think...
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Old October 29th, 2017, 08:57 AM   #115
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"I swear that was said in almost those exact words after O'Korn relieved Speight in the Purdue game. "

Bingo!
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Old October 29th, 2017, 09:23 AM   #116
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At this point, the only things my that really matters for the rest of the season is figuring out if there’s something there with Peters.
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Old October 29th, 2017, 11:28 AM   #117
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Bingo!

Peters clearly has the tools, but will have growing pains. This is why I was so disappointed when he didn't start vs FL. He is going to be good - in time... everyone needs to relax.
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Old October 29th, 2017, 12:02 PM   #118
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Wojo: No more debate about UM’s quarterback


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Old October 30th, 2017, 08:06 AM   #119
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We averaged 6.8 ypc on non-QB carries with O'Korn in the game and 7.4 ypc on non-QB carries with Peters in the game. It's close to being a wash. The O-line crushed it right away. Best performance in a while. If Peters had started, the final score would have been more like 49-14 and the game would have been over at halftime.

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