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Old October 23rd, 2017, 12:35 PM   #41
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His record wasn't sterling. It was okay.

Mark Dantonio has actually had more seasons with 2 or fewer losses than Lloyd, in 10 seasons vs. Lloyd's 13. And Mork took over a program in very sorry shape, whereas Lloyd took over a team that had been pulling in perennial Top 5 recruiting classes (per the ranking services of the day).

At any rate, I don't look a whole lot at Lloyd's record as an example of where we need to be. I look at what comparable competition around the country has done lately. Let's postpone the discussion about how unreasonable we are for expecting Harbaugh to win a national championship every year until such a time that this debate is actually relevant. Beating rivals half the time and finishing higher than third in the Big Ten East would be a good start.

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Old October 23rd, 2017, 12:42 PM   #42
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Oh, and..

UM 19, Rutgers 13.

I could easily see Rutgers pulling the upset.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 12:45 PM   #43
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Mark Dantonio is a very good coach as is Urban Meyer and apparently Franklin is. I was fully prepared for a Spartan loss to Indiana by the time the 4th quarter started. It's tough to compete, winning the Big Ten right now is a grind. There is no magic Easy Button.

One thing about Dantonio is he took over a program in shambles, but a program that gets more talent than it's given credit for. I have been a fan since 1990 and they have always been pretty good about fielding a good defense, good receivers and a good QB.

You guys have fell off at the QB position for the last decade.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 12:47 PM   #44
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Oh, and..

UM 19, Rutgers 13.

I could easily see Rutgers pulling the upset.
Are you trying to challenge AA and Talent for the forum's biggest sandbaggus ignoramus?
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 12:51 PM   #45
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I don't sandbag and I have yet to be wrong in the negative direction since the season began.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 01:00 PM   #46
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 01:03 PM   #47
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AA doesn't sandbag according to himself.

Rutgers has no chance.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 01:05 PM   #48
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AA is a living, breathing sandbag. So is Talent.

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Old October 23rd, 2017, 01:11 PM   #49
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There are those who believe I sandbag. Those people do not understsnd what I and the FPI are saying.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 01:12 PM   #50
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There should be a forum rule that if your score prediction is off by more than 21 points in the negative direction, then you should be banned from posting for a week. This means that we would be spared AA posts for most of September, October, and November.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 01:13 PM   #51
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There should be a forum rule that if your score prediction is off by more than 21 points in the negative direction, then you should be banned from posting for a week. This means that we would be spared AA posts for most of September, October, and November.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 01:14 PM   #52
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There should be a forum rule that if your score prediction is off by more than 21 points in the negative direction, then you should be banned from posting for a week. This means that we would be spared AA posts for most of September, October, and November.
Shit AA would get a lifetime ban...
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Further, you can be spared my posts right now. There is an ignore feature.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 01:16 PM   #54
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 01:18 PM   #56
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When have I been more than 21 points off on a Bama prediction? I mean it's possible; Bama has had some weird-margin wins this year. Besting Ole Miss by 63-points and Vandy by 59 was hard to see. Only beating Colorado State by 18 or whatever and TAMU by 8 was hard to see, too, so it's possible.

Just both of you do me a favor and put me on ignore. I'll return the favor.
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Further, you can be spared my posts right now. There is an ignore feature.
I'd rather ban sandbaggers as a punitive measure. It's the principle of it.
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 01:48 PM   #59
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Lloyd was a mediocre coach who lethargically let the program rot. His faults don't need to be recounted here, but it's worth pointing out that he lost five games in 2001 and 2005, and then he lost four games in his final season, with one of those coming to you-know-who. My point is -- three losses were the most common outcome for Lloyd, but he ended up higher than that twice as often (six times) as he ended up below (three times). The RichRod and Hoke eras caused a lot of people to revisit the Carr era with some rose-colored glasses, but he is not underappreciated, and at least a small share of the blame for the RichRod disaster can be laid at his feet. You can see this partially in his completely nonexistent coaching tree.
I would say more than a small share if the stories about him vetoing Les Miles are true.
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Les is a Michigan man! I hear he's looking for work...

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